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Envoy, aka American Eagle, to be Downsized
American has begun to shrink Envoy. Envoy will not receive the 60 new Embraer E175s, and its current 47 Bombardier CRJ-700s will now slowly be transitioned to other carriers. While Envoy will retain some 50-seat jet flying in the form of Embraer E145 jets, these aircraft are growing increasingly uneconomical due to rising maintenance costs and higher fuel price levels. (airchive.com) さらに...Sort type: [Top] [Newest]
I am curious how American plans on sourcing out the flying that Eagle is doing for them. PSA, Republice?? All of these Regionals are having difficulty filling new hire classes and the Eagle MEC turning down a contract that involved significant concessions is only further proof that pilots are no longer willing to work for terrible wages.
The new big birds seem to be going to Republic.
Envoy (formerly Eagle) is just one of many regional subcontractors that AAG uses. Remember they tried to sell off Envoy, but couldn't find a buyer. If that diesn't tell you something about the perceived value of Envoy, not sure what would.
I am a vocal proponent of better pay for regional pilots (particularly new pilots at starting pay). I also feel that the new 1500 requirement will decrease the available supply of new potential hires for regionals, as well as the pay necessary to attract willing candidates that both meet all new regulatory requirements as well as meet existing carrier qualifications desired of these candidates.
That's a bottom up phenomenon.
No part of that means that the highest paid regional pilots have much leverage to change the economics of flying regional aircraft.
There are only so many seats if these planes. Pasengers are only willing to pay so much to fly out of airports in small markets. No amount of wishing this reality were untrue will change it.
The highest paid regional pilots who'd like to earn more should really consider flying big iron.
Envoy (formerly Eagle) is just one of many regional subcontractors that AAG uses. Remember they tried to sell off Envoy, but couldn't find a buyer. If that diesn't tell you something about the perceived value of Envoy, not sure what would.
I am a vocal proponent of better pay for regional pilots (particularly new pilots at starting pay). I also feel that the new 1500 requirement will decrease the available supply of new potential hires for regionals, as well as the pay necessary to attract willing candidates that both meet all new regulatory requirements as well as meet existing carrier qualifications desired of these candidates.
That's a bottom up phenomenon.
No part of that means that the highest paid regional pilots have much leverage to change the economics of flying regional aircraft.
There are only so many seats if these planes. Pasengers are only willing to pay so much to fly out of airports in small markets. No amount of wishing this reality were untrue will change it.
The highest paid regional pilots who'd like to earn more should really consider flying big iron.
Sad that it had to go this way but the entire "Regional" model is becoming obsolete it seems. The line between mainline and regional aircraft is no longer defined and the logic for lower pay in the regionals no onger exists. Maybe its a "back to the future" situation where the mainlines operate the samller aircraft like when Ozark had Fairchilds or like JetBlue does now with their E195's. In anycase, it lookls likes the airline industry is going to have fewer aircraft and fewer pilots in the very near future and it's not going to turn out well for a lot of people.
Well, if anybody remembers, the regionals were home owned at 1 point and not contract; all that has been in later years. The legacies will either pick them up again or they will be contract in name only, with wages, bennies and all being dictated by and paid for by the legacies. It's gonna get ugly. I am glad I'm about out of it all and have no travel plans. And to think, all this started because of a couple of tired dummies up North that killed 50+people by their stupidty and brought all this restriction on the rest of it by a bunch of people that didn't know what the hell they were talking about. Both of them Colgan folks had way more than 1500 hours and they still screwed up bigtime. Did I miss anything?
Sad INDEED!!
That what I said all along would happen. Eagle pilots are already among the highest paid among regionals. AA would just look for a mire cost effective solution, if Envoy (Eagle) didn't work out.
But pilots should've had a vote. It was wrong of the union to not allow the pilots to vote, after the union pilot committee negotiated an agreement.
If the pilots want more pay at the top, they should switch to the mainline fleet, which the agreement would've made easier.
Sometimes, some people miss out on what they could've had, because they get fixated on what they had at some point but no longer have.
But pilots should've had a vote. It was wrong of the union to not allow the pilots to vote, after the union pilot committee negotiated an agreement.
If the pilots want more pay at the top, they should switch to the mainline fleet, which the agreement would've made easier.
Sometimes, some people miss out on what they could've had, because they get fixated on what they had at some point but no longer have.