AirAsia QZ8501 crash report

Pf to pnf: you push and I'll pull, one has to be right!

Truly sad when you hand control to a pilot who doesn't have a clue on how to hand fly an airplane. If you want sharper pilots, then you mandate a determined amount of manual flying into the everyday routine......and at altitude not just up or down from 10,000'.

It's called "CRM"....Crew Resource Management". Sounds like the crew wasn't on the same page. I'm missing you Preacher1!

Let's not forget the fact that this crew took a minor ECAM message and turned into a hull loss. The Rudder limiter is in no way an emergency, nor was this plane unflyable. There's a reason you don't reset circuit breakers unless you absolutely have to. The pilots, like several others before them, fixated on something small and forgot to fly the plane.

Irrespective of lack of A320 upset recovery in alternate law you fly the aeroplane, it does not fly you full stop. The PIC should not have been out of his seat he should have taken control, fly the aeroplane and any instructions to the SIC to reset, especially when the SIC had 2500 odd hours flying time. Then the first thing is head back and call ATC for priority landing. The passengers paid the price for lack of basic airmanship. Was there provision for safely returning without resetting? The report deliberately sidesteps not having the authority to fly on that day, nor was the weather fantastic on that day either - all contributing factors and adding to the flying conditions and pilot pressure and stress to continue the flight.

wow...SIC has climb input the whole way down...similar to AF444

No mater if the "computer" can run the systems on board the pilots still need to follow the number one rule. Fly the airplane. One needs training and the ability to understand the physics of flight. Without that you have a keyboard jockey in the pointy end.

This tragic human error would not have happened if the damn rudder would have worked properly. We can certainly find blame with the maintenance protocol that kept sending this plane aloft with an intermittent rudder travel limiter, BUT the real cause of this crash needs to be laid at the feet of the politicians who forced RoHS (Reduction of Hazardous Substances) on Europe. The fools voted the lead out of solder. The lead free solders are not as ductile and quite often crack because they are so much more brittle. This is not a problem if the 3rd brake light malfunctions on your Audi, but a rudder control system is another story.

RoHS and other moronic environmental laws resulting from a cult like congregation of junk science believers need to be throttled back to idle and magnetos turned off.

Aviation Safety Network posted a copy of the final report at:
http://aviation-safety.net/

Report is at:
http://kemhubri.dephub.go.id/knkt/ntsc_aviation/baru/Final%20Report%20PK-AXC.pdf

Did one or the other pilot simply say "I have the airplane"or "My airplane", with a confirming response from the other, "You have the airplane", or "Your airplane", or something equally complicated? If it works in a Cessna 152 trainer (and it does), it should work here.

Suggestion to Airbus Industries: Add a flashing RED light on top of instrument panel brow. Said light to illuminate and flash under the following conditions: 1) Alternate Law (FLY THE PLANE) active; 2) Dual Input and Conflicting Input condition arises; 3) One flash when either of the AP Disconnect Buttons is pressed for less than 2 seconds. Further recommendation on condition 1) above, install a crawl display that says in multiple languages "MANUAL FLIGHT ENGAGED - ALTERNATE LAW ENGAGED - FLY THE DAMN PLANE YOURSELF"

Three take-aways. 1. The airbus has a control design problem that contributes to these accidents. 2. Many foreign carrier training programs are insufficient. 3. At what point in time does any human brain say, "This input has done nothing to help the cause, try the opposite to see what happens."?

'bus bites again

"Pull down?" Who has ever said that?

Even if Boss pilot screams at Slave pilot " PULL UP!!!!!" or "PUSH BACK!!!!" ( whatever) should not Slave pilot monitor what his inputs are doing to the plane? Basic flight training and experience (which was all i had) says if airspeed keeps going lower, Lower, LOWER!!! PUSH THE DAMN STICK FORWARD (STUPID). (And full power of course. Airbus has auto thrust which supposedly takes care of that for you) I only actually had situations where i did not push the stick fwd as speed dropped. Those were stall training exercises so my instructor did not actually call me stupid. But I'm sure i made him pee in his pants a few times with some of my weird landings!

this is another example of the two pilots contradicting control inputs. It seems to be common on "fly by wire" aircraft technology during an emergency situation. Sad event, what ever the reason.

I don't think it would be hard for fly by wire aircraft to have a force feedback system that provides tactile feedback on how the opposite stick is being directed. I would think this simple upgrade would prevent a lot of cross control issues in control inputs as both pilots could feel what the other is imputing.

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Rudder Problem Blamed for Deadly AirAsia Crash

A rudder control system problem that had occurred 23 times in the previous 12 months, coupled with the pilots' response, led to last year's crash of an AirAsia plane that killed all 162 people on board, Indonesian investigators said Tuesday.

http://www.newser.com/story/216866/rudder-problem-blamed-for-deadly-airasia-crash.html

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AirAsia QZ8501 Crash: Final Report Points to Faulty Component, Crew Action

Indonesia's National Transportation Safety Committee released a final report, detailing the events that led to the AirAsia Airbus A320 crash last December that killed all 162 people on board.

http://www.flyingmag.com/technique/accidents/airasia-qz8501-crash-final-report-points-faulty-component-crew-action