SUD-EST SE-210 Caravelle —

United was the only major US carrier to fly the Caravelle. I always liked the lines of this paxbird.

Nice view of an old bird that has sadly disappeared from the skies.

I flew on a Caravelle as a kid for a day excursion from Spain to Morocco. I vividly remember using the rear stairs, cool airplane.

I see a beautiful Connie in the background :)

Another great historical addition to the gallery. The nose looks like a Dreamliner nose. Thanks for sharing Gary, I love the old airport scenes!

Great shot and thank you for sharing this old photo with us Gary. I'm really glad you did end up deciding to leave it in color :)

Hi Gary,

I believe the Aircraft Type code for the Caravelle is S210.

A list of ICAO Aircraft Type codes can be found in: http://cfapp.icao.int/Doc8643/reports/Part2-By%20Type%20Designator%28Decode%29.pdf


Note that some of the codes – such as CONI – are associated with multiple variants of the same aircraft. Also, different manufacturers if the same (basic) aircraft such as the North American F86 Sabre also built by Canadair, Commonwealth (Australia), and Mitsubishi are listed under the same code. The list of aircraft is not comprehensive – for example the North American Fury is not listed but should probably be included with the F86 group.


If you are unhappy with the aircraft name/description displayed, refer to:
Why does FlightAware show an overly specific or incorrect aircraft description for a particular aircraft type?
This is one of the questions under the “Tracking Data” heading in http://flightaware.com/about/faq .


The following quote, from: http://www.skybrary.aero/index.php/Aircraft_Type_Designator hopefully, explains the Aircraft Type code:

“In principle, ICAO allocates an Aircraft Type Designator to all aircraft heavier than ultra/micro light. A designator consists of not more than four characters and is primarily intended for use in flight plans and associated air traffic services messages. Each designator is, in principle, to be derived from the manufacturer’s model number or model name or, from a common military type number. Only one designator is assigned per aircraft type - a different designator for a variant or subtype will only be allocated when a difference in a performance is significant for air traffic services, or when no shared designator can be assigned”.

Historic photos are my favorite and this was 50 years ago. I did fly on a Caravelle a few times between 1964-1968 and I loved the airplane. The fall of 1964 was my first ride in an aircraft and I was hooked. I was crazy about anything with wings and...well I still am. Could never cure that bug. Thanks Gary.

Roy, Torsten, Zennermd, Dave, Mark, Peter, and Sam >> Howdy to you all, and also Thanks to each of you for commenting.
Peter >> A big TYVM for the link to the Aircraft Type Codes info. I'd read (and heard) occasional references to this listing but I never suspected it was so detailed ... and (my VERY bad here) I never researched to find it. I am extremely appreciative. I've made the correction above (changed it to S210) and I'll be making a few more corrections to some of my other oldies shots in my FA folder. Once more, Thank You very much, Peter. (Wave)

Great shot! Some of the Caravelle's had JT8D-7B engines. If I'm not mistaken they also were one of the first to use Skydrol. When in A&P school we visited UALs hangar at EWR and toured a Caravelle (69-70)

Dave Sheehy... yes the Caravelle's nose does resemble a Dreamliner, but I remember hearing that SUD Aviation "borrowed" (actually licensed) the nose design and cockpit layout directly from de Havilland's Comet jet airliner.

Gary... I have truly enjoyed viewing this vintage photo of your early aircraft spotting!!! Yes, it was indeed a very good thing that you saved these historic images!

Thanks so much for this shot - brings back great memories! Air France used to operate the Caravelle through Antigua in the "good old days", passing through northbound in the morning and returning southbound in the evening. Not much on the climb performance, but it could descend like a ton of bricks. I never had the privilage, however, of seeing the parachute-deployment for wet-runway braking.

My father in law Capt Frank Miller United Airlines may have been flying that Caravelle. Any date of when it was taken ??.... Smokey

Excellent and unique photo!

Thanks for pulling this great pic from the bin - and for leaving what color was left intact. GREAT piece of aviation history there...esp. the TWA truck.

I remember seeing a United Caravelle in Jacksonville sometime around 1962 or 1963

Still a good pic of days gone by. Thanks Gary

United "Red Carpet" flights on this plane were all first class and very comfortable. We had Filet Mignon with crab meat salad and Macadamia nuts as I recall. O'hare to LaGuardia non-stop 1963.

The Comet 1,2,3 and 4 share the same nose design as the Caravelle. UA Caravelle operated in and out of my hometown airport (PBI) in the late 60's. I remember the noise (very loud) on take-off along with the smoke. Never flew on a Caravelle, unfortunately.

Nice shot Gary. But this photo couldn't have been taken in the 60's. I would say early - mid 70's. There seems to be an Eastern Airlines Airbus a300 in the background. They came out in the early 70's. When I fueled for Eastern at ATL in the late 80's we used those old GMC hydrant trucks with the same front body like that TWA APU unit in the foreground. I've probably been on that a300 a hundred times. :)

I also saw my only Caravelles in Jacksonville, Fl in 1962-63. I remember going to the airport there and watching from the observation deck. I was 12 or 13 and my dad was attached to the AF Reserve unit there.

96flstc, Cliff, Charles, Smokey, Jordan, Kevin, Mike, and Lewis .... Hi to each of you. I appreciate that you all commented and that you all enjoyed seeing this timeworn old print. Makes me very happy that I followed the advice of some good buddies here on FA who urged me to get them back out of the trash can and also of two very great friends over in Sacramento who suggested that I share them here in FA's gallery because (they believed) there would be plenty of viewers who would be interested in seeing them. (Thumbs Up to all)
Cliff ... TY for the info about the origin of the Caravelle's nose design. I had not known that.
Zennermd ... TY for pointing out that Connie off in the background. The original photo I have here was so yellowed with age that there was no way to view any "detail" of that Connie, but now that I was able to normalize the photo's original colors somewhat, that Connie is a bit more distinctive ... and although it is still very difficult to be certain, those horizontal marks on the triple tails along with the markings on the side remind me of MATS (Military Air Transport Service) markings. I believe that is an old MATS aircraft. Thank you for mentioning that the Connie was visible back there. I'd forgotten it was there.
Smokey ... I was only at EWR twice, both times as a young teen who told my folks I was going to spend the day watching planes at Buffalo Airport but would hop on a flight, spend the day flying around to other cities, and then go home that evening with no one at home being aware I'd been in other cities taking pictures. Back then it was easy for a kid to buy a ticket and hop on an airliner and go off on a flight. I got away with it for years (lol). This photo was either taken one day in 1965 when I flew from KBUF to KEWR and back home or on a day in 1967 when I went from KBUF to KEWR to KJFK and then back home. (I was 15 and 17). I'm sorry I can't be more exact about when I took it.

Hi, Louis. Sorry, but I was stationed overseas in 1969 (Trabzon, Turkey) and into, and throughout, most of the 1970s (Turkey, Japan, Philippines, and Hawaii). Never was anywhere near Newark throughout those years. (Have actually only been to Newark twice, and both times were before I enlisted in Nov, '68.) Also, I don't know if you are familiar with old film photos, but often when the prints were developed there would be a year stamped along the outside border. On the outside border of this pic is the bottom third of a year. The last three numbers are rounded at the bottom, so the year was either 1963, 1965, 1966, or 1968, and I'm pretty certain it was in 1965. If the 300s came out in the early 70s, then that isn't a 300.
Will, TY for commenting. :-)

William ... Do you maybe recall the windows? Weren't they rather triangular? Somewhere in all these old prints I know I've got another shot of a Caravelle (at KBUF, I think) and I think it shows the windows quite well. (I've got to look for that one.) If I recall, the window shape was distinctive.
Howdy, James. Sorry I missed seeing your comment earlier; just now saw it. TYVM for the comment.

Too cool! Please find more!
BTW, this may have been one of the "males only" flights that UA flew between EWR and ORD. The flight was operated with a Caravelle. Can you imagine that today? Wow.

http://viewfromthewing.boardingarea.com/2015/05/27/united-airlines-men-only-executive-service/

Louis, look again. That's not an A300 in the background, that's a DC-8. Eastern flew them back in the day. It's tricky because from the perspective in the pic, it's hard to tell the difference, but that's a DC-8. The Caravelles were parked well before EA started A300 service in 1977.

The good old 620 films. Had one for a long time. Great throw back days, when flying was very safe. No TSA, your family could walk to the gate with you, until you boarded. my, how time has changed. Thanks for sharing.

Flew all around Brazil in the 1960's in VARIG Caravelles. It was a fun plane to fly in as a young teenager, the windows were tear-drop shap, seemed much bigger than the standard DC-8, or 707 windows, with a much bigger view of the ground as the bottom of the window was so wide.

I remember great food on the VARIG planes, too.

This is a cool photo "as is". Photoshop is a great tool for resurrecting lost color and bringing back an old photo. But, having a nicely preserved and lightly modified picture such as this especially interesting as it has a bit of nostalgia to it. I don't know if that makes sense, but I like this photo.

n9341c ... Thanx for the comment. AND the "Men Only" info. I knew about the Mohawk Airlines "Gaslight" flights but I never knew about UA's special flights. Also, right now I'm trying to "revive" two more old pics. One, a 620 film print that I took in '67 from the KBUF tower, looks down on an AAL Electra, EAL B727, and AAL 707. Another, waaaaay yellowed, is a Kodak 127 film print (snapped from the rear lounge seat of a Mohawk Convair 440 climbing away from KBUF's runway 23) is a view of an AA B727 at the American Airlines terminal at KBUF in the mid-60s.
Joseph ... when you get a free minute, click on the link (below) that will take you to a podcast / blogsite article I posted last year. (When you get there, if you click on the individual pics in the article, the full-size shots will open. Fine quality.)
Rob ... TY for commenting and also for confirming my window question. I just finished viewing other shots of Caravelles in FA's gallery and your description of them as "tear drop" is spot on. http://www.planeviz.com/propeller-echoes-mohawk-airlines/

Hi Gary! Didn't the Caravelle's also have curtains at each window?

Retro, back in the day! Yeah, just like this shot,color brings back some kid memories!

Roger ... Howdy. I sincerely appreciate your sentiments. All of my pics are "aged in time" and even using PS some of them are beyond help. They have all been "around the world" - literally around the world - twice; I've hauled them with me thru a 20-year military career and then another 28+ years in climates that included the intense humidity of the Philippine Islands to the frozen north of Maine (Loring AFB) to the blazing dry heat of Nevada's high desert (presently). Thank goodness Kodak produced such good film back in the days of my youth. lol Thanks again for your kind words.

An Airbus & Connie on the same tarmac, not so sure?!

What I remember of the Caravelle jetliner is how LOUD it was. I lived not far from the Congonhas airport in Sao Paulo when Varig used to fly them. You knew a Caravelle was taking off for miles around. They weren't terribly reliable. I believe all of Varig's Caravelles were eventually lost to mishaps and crashes.

Shots like this are always great. Not just for the old A/C, but for the support equipment and everything else that appears in them.

Love these older pics. I always had a camera with me and still do. The Caravelle was a beautiful airplane.

Another Classic Gman! Now you are going to motivate me to get all of my pre 1970s negatives and slides uploaded and take the time like you have, and start trying to cut and edit like you have. I know my dad flew on Caravelle's when he was a traveling salesman in the young 60's through 70s.

The jet is a DC-8 behind the Caravelle - no question. All that ground equipment is awesome in the photo.

Alien! ... Wassup? :-) TYVM for the comment. I'm looking forward to your next posts. Always excited to see more snaps from the past.
Mark ... (sorry it took so long to reply. didn't see your question 'til now.) I'd never heard of curtains, but perhaps some of these folks who have flown on them may recall. (It'd be cool to find a pic of one that shows curtains in the windows.)
nycsic1, CarlJodie, Dougs Z & C, and Anson ... Howdy and TY for the comments. (Wave)

Rode one of these from ORD to PIT back in 1964. Nice ride Also got to ride a TWA Connie on the same trip from PIT to AVP Loved that one.Those were the glory days of commercial aviation.

Thanks Gary, for uploading your photo, makes for great comparisons of now and then. Hope there are more to come, as well as from other contributors!

Nice. I've got a photo of my fiance, back in 1977, entering an Air France Caravelle up the back stairs.

Awesome! love these old shots!

CHRIS ROBEY:

Look what I found and a nice description by Gary Schenauer of the United Airlines Caravelle submitted 3 years ago by him. Not really clear but some gems are not.