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Airbus A300F4-600 (N161UP)
Had to reach way across from the east side perimeter to catch this morning shot of UPS's N161UP, an A306, getting a deicing bath prior to departing Reno.
The cargo birds are beginning to flock here. Yesterday morning, instead of our normal three or four aircraft on the cargo ramp, we had eight, including three heavies. Last year, on one of the evenings I was spotting during the December holiday shipping rush, we had thirteen on the ramp at the same time and five of those were MD and Airbus big birds. I'm hoping to get a 14-bird capture next month.
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I miss the Murray DC-8s that used to come in to Buffalo about 6 years ago...definitely an alarm clock to wake up to
I don't know the glycol prices out west
when I deiced at KBUF it was 22 a gallon for type IV (green, antiice) and 16 dollars a gallon for Type I (red ,deice)
easy to dump a few hundred gallons on a single application
Thanks for this shot gary
I don't know the glycol prices out west
when I deiced at KBUF it was 22 a gallon for type IV (green, antiice) and 16 dollars a gallon for Type I (red ,deice)
easy to dump a few hundred gallons on a single application
Thanks for this shot gary
Sam, I've caught numerous clicks of paxbirds departing RNO with "green skin." That stuff costs $22. a GALLON?? Geesh! Could you think back on your experience to take a rough guess as to how many gallons would be needed to deice an A320 or a B737? I've watched (from a distance) the "Iceman" guys showering that green stuff on ... they must use a whole bunch of gallons of it. $22.00 a gallon! Does it spray out as a (sort of) "mist" or does it pour out as from a showerhead? In my pic here, it seems to be a "mist," but in my pic taken several years ago (at ORD at night) it was running down over the windows like it was raining out.
Being a mist it appears to be type 1..heated to 180 degrees F. It's a 55/45 mix of isopropelene glycol and water...it's pressurized like a firehose...the green type 4 is under less pressure and comes out like a sludge...
Steam means it's hot...so type 1 deice not type IV anti-ice
Steam means it's hot...so type 1 deice not type IV anti-ice
A 737 or a320 is all different depending on experience of the iceman and the total accumulation on the aircraft. Every airline different, some say just spray critical areas (wings tail nose) others say zero contamination on whole bird...average on a medium size jet would be 40-100 gallons
If it was watery it was deice...melts the contamination..think of it like a car wash...removes it...Antiice is like car wax..protects the aircraft from contamination buildup...depending on precip and temperature type 4 good for 2-20 minutes...
Sam, thank you for explaining the difference. I've seen steam (like above), green, and also the red type. I never knew there was a difference (ie: anti-ice or deice). I appreciate the info very much. I have one more question that you may or may not know the answer to. When the green sludge (type IV) is being used, by the end of the day, there must be thousands of gallons of the stuff on the ramp. Where does it all go? I mean, does it all get ... just ... washed down into the sewer system?
Gary, I'm no expert but I think that at nearly all major airports that regularly deice, it has to be captured in tanks and not just washed into the sewer system like the old days, think EPA. I'm not sure if they can recycle it or not either.
Sure it expensive, but compared to the cost of human lives it's cheap.
Sam touched on holdover times, that's the time you have from the beginning of deicing to take off. It varies as to temp and kind of precip, you may have as little as 10 minutes to get off the ground. The company I used to work for had a portable sprayer that the mechanics sprayed Type IV on our planes before they pulled them out of the hangar. It gave us a longer holdover time than the regular hot deice. It's kind of thick, snotty and slippery, I believe it's supposed to shear off at around 90kts.
Sure it expensive, but compared to the cost of human lives it's cheap.
Sam touched on holdover times, that's the time you have from the beginning of deicing to take off. It varies as to temp and kind of precip, you may have as little as 10 minutes to get off the ground. The company I used to work for had a portable sprayer that the mechanics sprayed Type IV on our planes before they pulled them out of the hangar. It gave us a longer holdover time than the regular hot deice. It's kind of thick, snotty and slippery, I believe it's supposed to shear off at around 90kts.
Jim is correct, at KBUF we had certain drains that were used for collection of fluids, they would clean it and separate itand reuse it somewhere down the line, most major airports have a deice line on the ramp where you can't spray past...those drains beyond that line go to runoff to creeks or to water treatment facilities
Deice fluid is pretty much concentrated antifreeze...isopropyl glycol...it'll kill your dog and any wildlife that comes in contact...or mutate it.
We had a natural gas deice tent a plane would taxi through and melt contamination...worked too good, burned the paint and damaged plastics and composites...it lasted 2 seasons then it was torn down . That was on north side of field by prior
Deice fluid is pretty much concentrated antifreeze...isopropyl glycol...it'll kill your dog and any wildlife that comes in contact...or mutate it.
We had a natural gas deice tent a plane would taxi through and melt contamination...worked too good, burned the paint and damaged plastics and composites...it lasted 2 seasons then it was torn down . That was on north side of field by prior
You can't put 4 over precip...you have to go from nose to wing to tail to other wing type 1 then whole process with 4...if it heavy precip it sometimes sticks before you can start process of 4 so you gotta do 1 all over again...causes delays and wastes fluid...every airline had strict set of rules for deice application...but sometimes you had to break the rules in order for departure...wing 1 then 4, tail 1 then 4, other wing 1 then 4...gives pilot just enough time to high speed taxi and scoot.
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日付 | 機種 | 出発地 | 目的地 | 出発 | 到着 | 時間 |
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2024年04月26日 | A306 | ルイビル国際空港 (KSDF) | ルイ・アームストロング・ニューオーリンズ国際空港 (KMSY) | 04時59分 EDT | 05時20分 CDT | 予定済み |
2024年04月25日 | A306 | エルパソ国際空港 (KELP) | ルイビル国際空港 (KSDF) | 20時28分 MDT | 00時58分 EDT (+1) | 2:30 |
2024年04月25日 | A306 | ルイビル国際空港 (KSDF) | エルパソ国際空港 (KELP) | 05時18分 EDT | 06時10分 MDT | 2:52 |
2024年04月24日 | A306 | ルイス・ムニョス・マリン国際空港 (SJU / TJSJ) | ルイビル国際空港 (KSDF) | 20時55分 AST | 00時51分 EDT (+1) | 3:56 |
2024年04月24日 | A306 | ルイビル国際空港 (KSDF) | ルイス・ムニョス・マリン国際空港 (SJU / TJSJ) | 15時44分 EDT | 19時14分 AST | 3:29 |
2024年04月24日 | A306 | ミネアポリス・セントポール国際空港 (KMSP) | ルイビル国際空港 (KSDF) | 07時15分 CDT | 09時30分 EDT | 1:14 |
2024年04月24日 | A306 | シカゴ・ロックフォード国際空港 (KRFD) | ミネアポリス・セントポール国際空港 (KMSP) | 03時24分 CDT | 04時12分 CDT | 0:48 |
2024年04月24日 | A306 | ルイビル国際空港 (KSDF) | シカゴ・ロックフォード国際空港 (KRFD) | 01時24分 EDT | 01時17分 CDT | 0:52 |
2024年04月23日 | A306 | オーランド国際空港 (KMCO) | ルイビル国際空港 (KSDF) | 20時46分 EDT | 22時24分 EDT | 1:38 |
2024年04月23日 | A306 | ダラス・フォートワース国際空港 (KDFW) | オーランド国際空港 (KMCO) | 15時12分 CDT | 18時17分 EDT | 2:05 |
2024年04月23日 | A306 | オンタリオ国際空港 (KONT) | ダラス・フォートワース国際空港 (KDFW) | 07時01分 PDT | 11時31分 CDT | 2:29 |
2024年04月22日 | A306 | Sacramento Mather (KMHR) | オンタリオ国際空港 (KONT) | 20時56分 PDT | 21時52分 PDT | 0:56 |
2024年04月22日 | A306 | リノ・タホ国際空港 (KRNO) | Sacramento Mather (KMHR) | 19時40分 PDT | 20時03分 PDT | 0:23 |
2024年04月22日 | A306 | Sacramento Mather (KMHR) | リノ・タホ国際空港 (KRNO) | 17時18分 PDT | 17時41分 PDT | 0:23 |
2024年04月20日 | A306 | リノ・タホ国際空港 (KRNO) | Sacramento Mather (KMHR) | 08時08分 PDT | 08時33分 PDT | 0:24 |
2024年04月20日 | A306 | エプリー・エアフィールド (KOMA) | リノ・タホ国際空港 (KRNO) | 06時20分 CDT | 07時14分 PDT | 2:53 |
2024年04月20日 | A306 | ルイビル国際空港 (KSDF) | エプリー・エアフィールド (KOMA) | 04時44分 EDT | 05時13分 CDT | 1:29 |
2024年04月19日 | A306 | Rickenbacker Intl (KLCK) | ルイビル国際空港 (KSDF) | 23時28分 EDT | 00時13分 EDT (+1) | 0:45 |
2024年04月19日 | A306 | ルイビル国際空港 (KSDF) | Rickenbacker Intl (KLCK) | 04時37分 EDT | 05時12分 EDT | 0:34 |
2024年04月18日 | A306 | ルイス・ムニョス・マリン国際空港 (SJU / TJSJ) | ルイビル国際空港 (KSDF) | 22時32分 AST | 02時35分 EDT (+1) | 4:02 |
2024年04月18日 | A306 | ルイビル国際空港 (KSDF) | ルイス・ムニョス・マリン国際空港 (SJU / TJSJ) | 17時46分 EDT | 21時07分 AST | 3:21 |
2024年04月17日 | A306 | バンクーバー国際空港 (CYVR) | ルイビル国際空港 (KSDF) | 18時03分 PDT | 00時38分 EDT (+1) | 3:35 |
2024年04月17日 | A306 | ルイビル国際空港 (KSDF) | バンクーバー国際空港 (CYVR) | 05時28分 EDT | 06時49分 PDT | 4:21 |
2024年04月16日 | A306 | Palm Beach Intl (KPBI) | ルイビル国際空港 (KSDF) | 21時02分 EDT | 23時06分 EDT | 2:04 |
2024年04月16日 | A306 | ルイビル国際空港 (KSDF) | Palm Beach Intl (KPBI) | 04時28分 EDT | 06時18分 EDT | 1:49 |
2024年04月15日 | A306 | エルパソ国際空港 (KELP) | ルイビル国際空港 (KSDF) | 20時47分 MDT | 01時23分 EDT (+1) | 2:35 |
2024年04月14日 | A306 | ルイビル国際空港 (KSDF) | エルパソ国際空港 (KELP) | 18時39分 EDT | 19時30分 MDT | 2:51 |
2024年04月14日 | A306 | オンタリオ国際空港 (KONT) | ルイビル国際空港 (KSDF) | 00時34分 PDT | 06時47分 EDT | 3:12 |
2024年04月13日 | A306 | ビリングス・ローガン国際空港 (KBIL) | オンタリオ国際空港 (KONT) | 07時14分 MDT | 08時22分 PDT | 2:08 |
2024年04月13日 | A306 | ルイビル国際空港 (KSDF) | ビリングス・ローガン国際空港 (KBIL) | 05時30分 EDT | 06時22分 MDT | 2:51 |
2024年04月12日 | A306 | Will Rogers World (KOKC) | ルイビル国際空港 (KSDF) | 20時54分 CDT | 23時22分 EDT | 1:28 |
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