Airlines that fly from certain countries in the Middle East and Africa to the U.S. must soon require passengers to check in almost all electronic devices rather than carry them into the cabin, a U.S. official said. (money.cnn.com) さらに...
This makes no sense. It would be very easy to simply use flights from other origins to get around the ban, if someone has bad intentions. Just another case of grandstanding.
I found an article that does say just that Wolfgang..yes you have to subscribe to read it but it's free and I have actually found the reads quite informative...what is really interesting of note is the fact CBP has a pre-clearance facility at Abu Dhabi. http://aviationweek.com/commercial-aviation/electronics-ban-ultimately-everyone-will-lose
Ive had a few friends, traveling through from Australia to the US, and they have stated on more than 1 occasion that the US Customs and security at Abu Dhabi was very strict and conforming with state of the art equipment and stearn officers.
Strange that it only impacts foreign carriers and from airports where US airlines do not fly. DAL used to have an ATL-DXB until quite recently. None of it makes any sense to me, but there is little in this world today that does!
uhm...I don't think there are any US carriers that fly direct flights from those countries. Ban is only for carriers with direct flights from those countries to US.
DHS released Q&A as "Q&A: Aviation Security Enhancements for Select Last Point of Departure Airports with Commercial Flights to the United States" published at: https://www.dhs.gov/news/2017/03/21/qa-aviation-security-enhancements-select-last-point-departure-airports-commercial
This is not about politics nor who's who does what...I read a tech article a while back and remembered something very interesting...a desktop/laptop with WiFi capability and Windows 7 through 10 on it (even as far back as Win XP Pro but that is a crap shoot) or even some MacBooks, can be accessed remotely (remote desktop assistance)...I don't think they thought of this...leave the people to use their smartphones, those are used to access the laptops, which are now smothered in checked baggage in the cargohold and what could potentially happen?? Li-Ion battery fires are not pretty, nor is a remotely accessed explosive device...smh
A article in the Financial Times reports an alternative hypothesis for the action. Rather than Homeland Security, they postulate the focus is economic Unfortunately it is behind a paywall. The Washington Post's reprise is linked here:
But then the airline serving this destination is Delta, as you said. One more reason to suspect politics over safety requirements. Security in Istanbul is second to none, but it's on the list, Abu Dhabi pre-clearance conforms to all US CBP requirements, but it is on the list. Just another way to put foreign airlines at a competitive disadvantage.
AVHerald posted a news item on the subject. Some of the comments are of interest, including ones questioning the propriety of posting it on an aviation website.
I can see this has turned into a bit of a political debate as well as a who does what debate of opinons etc...For this much, I shall comment no more on this matter..I just hope those involved know what they are doing and do it correctly...as Wolfgang pointed out, it would be very easy to slip around just these airports.
What am I missing here? A bomb that explodes in the baggage compartment instead of the cabin is still a bomb. Is the implication that these countries have proper screening of checked bags but not of carry-ons?
First off, the Trump administration has just ran roughshod over an international ruling that was imposed last year...NO Li-Ion batteries are allowed into the cargohold of any passenger craft..laptops, cameras, kindles etc are all powered by Li-Ion batteries. Here is another perspective of the story, Torsten http://time.com/4707584/electronics-ban-overseas-flights/ Whats far reaching is, I don't see any airports from India or Pakistan on there nor do I see some of the airports on there that have the immigration ban imposed..this also means that any passenger, from anywhere in the world, cannot take their electronics on board, at the beginning of the trip, when connecting through these airports...
From the time article: "Officials said they coordinated with the FAA about the placement of additional lithium ion batteries in aircraft cargo holds and determined that the risk of a potential attack outweighed the potential risk of battery fire—an emerging FAA concern."
One wonders how much coordination was done, given the administration's recent historical failure to get their ducks lined up in the first place. The attack risk determination justification will be published shortly on the LOTUS twitter account.
Robert...what I am saying is the FAA has no jurisdictional knowledge of how checked baggage is handled at foreign airports...most passengers carry their expensive electronics onboard to prevent such damage..a laptop can take some abuse of being pounded around...a kindle or digital camera not so much and if those Li-Ion batteries break open..not good
Whether or not the FAA has jurisdiction or not, obviously they are able to influence or make certain demands of those CAA authorities in order for those countries to continue to send flights to the USA. I travel through international airports that have additional requirements when traveling to the USA. An example, flying from Panama to US they ban liquids from carry-ons and require additional screening (x-ray and shoes removed) at the gate prior to boarding a US bound flight. But not for flights to other countries.
Actually, laptops and other personal electronic devices with Li-Ion batteries INSTALLED are allowed as checked baggage and has been for some time now. Only spare (uninstalled) Li-Ion batteries have been banned from checked baggage. https://www.faa.gov/about/initiatives/hazmat_safety/more_info/?hazmat=23
The FAA has not mandated nor said in a statement to make sure this doesnt happen "2. Passengers must not pack spare lithium ion batteries in checked baggage. Spares must be packed in carry-on baggage or carried on the person."
They've spent so much money on those x-ray machines and not this? The machines work. No trust in the machines anymore? What happened to paying a little extra attention to the devices. Trump thinks he can disrupt the world. I knew the apprentice was nothing but a trial rUn for what he would do in the WH.
This is where political remarks are to be posted:http://discussions.flightaware.com/general/the-banter-thread-t4618-5500.html?hilit=banter thread&sid=8e49cb2ab5c798631d878a91d39dd355
There may be some validity to the need for the restriction, don't know. But look at the source, CNN. They've become a 'One Trick Pony'. Every story has to contain a negative Trump comment. No credibility left.
A couple of people have alleged that this ban would be ineffective, or that it is motivated by President Trump's political agenda. However, the UK is following suit, and flights connecting through other European countries would be expected to have more stringent screening than the regions targeted by this ban.
This only works if the ban is applied to all flights, regardless of origin. A laptop transformed into a bomb can be brought inside the cabin at Oklahoma or at Casablanca.
I agree Wolfgang...and what about these newer cell phone "phablets"..1 would think enough charge packed into 1 of them could severely damage a craft, or worse yet render it unflyable (new word for Webster dictionary) if placed in a strategic location.