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Windows 3.1 Is Still Alive, And It Just Killed a French Airport

送信時刻：8 年前

A computer glitch that brought the Paris airport of Orly to a standstill Saturday. Le Canard Enchaîné said in an article the computer failure had affected a system known as DECOR, which is used by air traffic controllers to communicate weather information to pilots. Pilots rely on the system when weather conditions are poor. DECOR, which is used in takeoff and landings, runs on Windows 3.1, an operating system that came onto the market in 1992. (news.vice.com) さらに...

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Doug Herman 8 年前 10

I miss FORTRAN. First language I learned (besides English, that is). There was always something aesthetically pleasing about a deck of punch cards, until you dropped it.

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canuck44 8 年前 6

...or someone switched the position of two of your punch cards somewhere in the middle.

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Kairho Carroll 8 年前 1

FORTRAN was pretty cool. COBOL was, as said, yucky. PL/1 foreshadowed structured programming and had a unique vector and matrix processing capability. But APL was the nutz ... extreme flexibility in a micro/miniature yet arcane language structure. Imaging inverting a matrix of any size with a one character command!

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matt jensen 8 年前 2

And COBOL

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vector4traffic 8 年前 2

JCL Flashback!!!!

//SYSIN DD *

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DWAYNE HUNT 8 年前 2

Oh my!!! //SYSIN DD * I think that just caused me PTSD (thinking of Poughkeepsie and writing operating system software in assembler language)

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Kairho Carroll 8 年前 2

I was in Poughkeepsie, too (1970-1974) but over at the TDC. Started by manually inputting machine code using those front panel switches! PTSD is on the mark!

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DWAYNE HUNT 8 年前 2

Kairho, you probably still remember the op code for a "BRANCH CONDITIONAL" instruction. I sure do:Hex"47". We actually were there about the same time. I was transferred to Poughkeepsie around Easter 1970.I remember the data switches on the front panel the same as you...........

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Kairho Carroll 8 年前 1

I don't remember any opcodes (hooray!) but I do remember dynamically modifying those BC instructions to save space. That's a big no-no these days (criminal, I believe) but quite useful back then. I was at the Homestead in Technology and often consulted with SciComp when they couldn't solve something or needed more computing power, with our tricked out 360/44R and 360/67CP.

I distinctly remember the time I brought down the HASP system (all of it) about a dozen times over 2 days before realizing it always crashed about 10 seconds after I submitted a particular job. And yes, it was a legal //SYSxxx DD card which exposed a really bad READER bug!

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georgep 8 年前 2

As a comp sci major and an EE I've used Fortran and it wasn't bad. Cobol, yuck. My favorite language was PL/1. You could actually understand it and it had procedures.

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joel wiley 8 年前 2

FORTRAN was designed to replace programmers. As such, it was a failure. Always marked a diagonal slash across the top of the deck to make the reshuffle easier.

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Jim Sinsky 8 年前 2

Your comment comes 45 years too late to help me.

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Theresa Williams 8 年前 7

Maybe I'm old school, but I miss 3.1.

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jmilleratp 8 年前 5

Probably less glitchy than current versions!

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lynx318 8 年前 2

Think how many catastrophes there could have been til now if they had updated to Vista!

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canuck44 8 年前 5

At least these computers are secure since the operating system is older than the potential hackers. Pity if they do the right thing and replace it for what will they do when the Minesweeper program is gone.

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tom treutlein 8 年前 1

Hackers have no problem with old systems which typically have no security. Ask OMB. They gave up millions of gov't employees files with a system older than Win 3.1

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Timothy McDonnell 8 年前 1

Just switch to minecraft which I'm sure will come on Windows instead.

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mitchell baird 8 年前 6

Not the best title for a headline given today's events... Just saying

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vector4traffic 8 年前 1

Wouldn't systems such as these be air-gapped?

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Geoff Joy 8 年前 1

Windows 3.1 is its own air-gap. It never had a TCP/IP stack and used dial-up modems for communications, usually through a terminal program like Procomm.

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Brent Jones 8 年前 1

Trumpet winsock, NCSA Mosaic for a browser... I still have an IBM laptop that boots DOS 6.22 with Win 3.1 and can connect to the Internet through its 10Base-T Ethernet. It wasn't too unusual to have them on LANs. :)

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georgep 8 年前 1

Sorry wrong, Windows 3.1 has it's own TCP/IP stack (Windsock.ocx). I think it's DOS that you are referring to.

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georgep 8 年前 1

Sorry, finger check. It's Winsock.ocx.

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Otniel Ocampo 8 年前 1

The windsock worked out of IPX/UBX protocol, not TCP/IP. You needed a separate set of protocol drivers to make TCP/IP work!

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tom treutlein 8 年前 1

3.1.1 had TCP/IP

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Martin Haisman 8 年前 0

Agree - just spent 5 weeks there met many friends and a very sad day.

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Wolfgang Prigge 8 年前 2

That would not surprise me, but on the other hand "Le Canard Enchaîné" is a satirical weekly, so let's wait for confirmation from other sources.

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skylab72 8 年前 1

Good grief, if you are running Fortran apps on Wndoze3.1 the quick easy upgrade path is Linux. Old Wine solves many problems, go to the wine Celler. All distros support a Fort77 or later. Sombody is just lazy.

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pp233ee 8 年前 1

Could loan them my Heathkit that uses a cassett tape to store data..

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Bill Fox 8 年前 1

and XP is dead ? I have XP, Win 7, and 10 at home,, but I miss DOS

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georgep 8 年前 1

Bill,

Dos is still there. Just enter 'CMD' into the command prompt.

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lynx318 8 年前 1

Maybe the Y2k finally caught up with them¿

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Thomas Cain 8 年前 1

It's probably still running off of an Intel 386 system!

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Martin Haisman 8 年前 1

With a maths co-processor chip the size of coffee cup.

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Thomas Cain 8 年前 1

You know, I posted this with a little sarcasm, but thinking about it, Win 3.1 being a Win32S architecture operating in a DOS shell which was a hybrid 16bit/32bit environment, probably only was compatible with 80x86 processors. Early Pentiums at the latest.

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sparkie624 8 年前 1

LOL, I was kind of thinking the 286 Processor... The 286 Processor was the first processor to effectively run windows 3.1 after all.... And looking back I still have a copy of windows 3.1.... On 3 3.5" Floppies... UGH.. Those memories

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sparkie624 8 年前 1

An interesting article to be sure, but a few inaccuracies.... For one, Windows 3.1 was an Application and not an operating system. Windows 3.1 required DOS (Disk Operating System) to operate. Windows 95 was the very first windows operating system.... Windows 3.1 required 3 1.44 mb floppies to install.

It is hard to imagine that the airport is using that old of software that would bring down a critical system.. LOL, maybe they can update to Windows 95.

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ken young 8 年前 0

This is a perfect example of government incompetence.

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Martin Haisman 8 年前 -3

Grow some sensitivity 140 people just died arsehole.

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joel wiley 8 年前 3

I believe this was posted early in the day, and events overtook the headline.

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Martin Haisman 8 年前 -2

Considering the US led war on ISIS due to the Iraq invasion abomination and the inevitable French doing their bit joining in, the title should not have been so blunt in any case past or current tense. Still an extremely ill considered headline.

News sites reported titles such as - The small French airport of Orly Grounds Flights After Windows 3.1 Glitch" How many worldwide airports use the 3.1 based system DECOR or systems 20 years old?

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joel wiley 8 年前 3

I don't see much of a connection between Gulf II and Windows 3.1. The recent terrorist attack upon which you appear to focus seems separate from the continued use of outdated software technology.

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Martin Haisman 8 年前 0

ISIS grew from Iraq and the invasion being unhappy with the westernised diplomatic setup into their country. Syria is another one of the 22 Arabic states where ISIS is most active. Unfortunately France was an easy target with its large borders being obviously having less chance of being caught smuggling terrorist equipment/suicide bombers there.

Westerners use technology and get court marshalled if civilians are needlessly killed and play by the Geneva convention. Terrorist's have no ethics and rules and fight dirty. No win situation.

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