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Video: 737 takeoff near tail-strike and stall

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Watch as they rotate at a very slow speed causing the aircraft's nose to lift off the ground but not generating enough lift to become fully airborne, & then shortly after stalling they continue to accelerate down the runway to rotate at a faster speed. (www.youtube.com) さらに...

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flyfishmcd
Ive seen bounced landings before, but never a bounced takeoff.
ToddBaldwin3
The Aviation Herald headline reads "Royal Maroc B737 at Frankfut on Jul 23rd 2016, three takeoffs for the price on one."
jwmson
jwmson 10
Yet another reason I am extremely selective as to what airlines I will fly.
joelwiley
When everyone's shooting videos everywhere, such things pop up.
One for the money, two for the stall, three to get ready and four to go.
ADXbear
ADXbear 8
Satisfied 3 landing in 90days...lol.... lucky they had enough runway... flaps 1? Bad config for bugs....
bbabis
Props to all posters on this FA squawk. This has been a great squawk to follow. Many different thoughts and opinions to follow that made us both think and laugh. The best part is no blood was spilled and we all got to say our piece without anyone getting their ego stepped on. Maybe, down the road, the captain on this plane will really let us know what happened. I know, fat chance, but if he/she doesn't they live with what we decide. Safe travels to all.
CaptainFreedom
The little airliner that could!....I think I can I think I can.....I think I can I think I can.....DOH!......grrrrrr....I think I can I think I canI think I can I think I canI think I can I think I can......YIKES.....I think I can I think I canI think I can I think I canI think I can I think I can......WOOHOO!!!
allynperdue
Royal Air Maroc's statement on this event is poorly worded. However, windshear from opposing wake vortices producing a microburst-like effect could indeed have caused the takeoff problem for the 737. Keep in mind the heavy A330 was airborne about one half mile from the 737's start of takeoff roll when passing over runway 18. Its vortices would descend, bounce a bit and spread. With a mild northeasterly wind, the starboard vortex would drift south along runway 18 and generate a tailwind at the surface. The port vortex would drift slightly north if at all and generate a headwind for the 737 which apparently fooled the 737 crew into rotating. Fortunately, they handled the recovery well.
MrWidgeon
Brings new meaning to "In thrust we trust" ......................... sheesh !
jkudlick
Is it just me, or are his flaps fully retracted?
TorstenHoff
Nope, it isn't just you.
bentwing60
bentwing60 12
"Checklist, We don't need no stinkin checklist"!
bombardierkeep
does look like the flaps are fully retracted
PSUAth
so there's some masking tape and a marker, looks legit!
mariofer
mariofer 1
Where is that flight manual again?
Highflyer1950
Flap one selected, leading slats out and trailing edge fowler flaps extend slightly but not down. Appears to be a lot of wing flex on the roll but possibly too early a rotation or incorrect speeds bugged.
bbabis
I agree too early on the rotation. From the wind noise on the mic it was also a gusty day. Possibly just didn't bug up enough.
Highflyer1950
Interesting that on some ac you enter all the parameters into the FMS, then if you fail to match the aircraft configuration to what you inputed, your v-speeds will not "box", so a take off shouldn't be attempted! However, I am not not all that familiar with Boeing's systems.
tanderson2491
They're not retracted. I can see the flaps out and the slats deployed.
Yazoo
Yazoo 1
Nope. Slats are extended.....Flaps 1
Viperguy46
You have better eyes than this old man! I don't see the leading edge thingy's! Arn't they supposed to deploy automatically or is the just on MD-80's etc:
JetMech24
They are automatic depending on flap position selected, flaps 0 fully retracted, flaps 1-10 intermediate, flaps 10-40 fully extended.
KauaiGolfer
I had almost the same thing happen to me as a kid, flying with my family on a Mexicana 727-100, taking off out of MEX. We went barreling down the runway, rotated, lifted off, and then touched back down, rolled some more, and then finally lifted off for good. I have never, before or since, seen my Dad so angry. At the time, he was a 727 Captain for United, and I swear, I thought for a minute he was going to storm the cockpit, slap the crap out of the Captain, and take over the controls. To keep him from turning over in his grave, I stay away from Mexicana.
PSUAth
any 'friendly chats' with the pilot after the trip?
JimHeslop
Well, I bet the smell of poo permiated through out the cabin AND cockpit for the rest of that flight!
dee9bee
dee9bee 3
Looks to me as though the leading edge slats are extended, but maybe not the trailing edges. On a 767-200 (don't know about the 737) that would convert to flaps '1'. We only did that out of Madrid heavy enough for an eleven hour flight. Not appropriate for the 737, I don't think.
Yazoo
Yazoo 0
Most 73 takeoffs at Flaps 1.
onceastudentpilot
Minimum power required crap....Was on a 757 out of Houston one time and the plane was shaking like a wet dog and barely climbing.
Moviela
Must have been Trump's plane. All bluster and no indication of performance.
Viperguy46
Well if it was Hillary's free ride, pilots would go to jail but not the smartest women in the world!
Didn't want a political comment on this site but looks like the left wing media does follow Flightaware also!
Taurcan
He was performing a soft field take-off, remaining in the ground effect to build up speed to eventually perform a climb over a 100 foot obstacle at the end of the runway. Have none of you ever been trained as pilots? Hahahahaha......"
Viperguy46
Why yes I have! I do believe you are supposed to use some flaps and/or/or both, leading edge slats for "ANY" take off... Not sure though, it;s been awhile since i had basic flight training!
PSUAth
Better watch out, calling out non-pilots!
bgaskill
sorry for any obvious lack of knowledge as Ive never flown anything bigger than a caravan, but wouldn't it be a short field TO to clear the obstacle..? Honestly, it looks like George is trying to climb...just sayin'
onceastudentpilot
All of the soft field take offs I ever performed were full power with flaps extended and back pressure on the yoke....this looks more like the pilots trying to obey a noise abatement and not factoring in enough thrust for the weight and weather conditions in. heat.
skanks
skanks 2
YOU ARE RIGHT YAZOO, the LE were extended [I blew up the picture to confirm it] and thus a Flaps 1 takeoff which is normal, at high altitude heavy takeoffs in the 73. They [crew] rotated prematurely, whether it was due to wrong V speeds or early call outs by the PNF is debatable.... [or Pavlov's Dog, wherein the PF rotated at the V1 callout, and not the Vr callout, Most V1 speeds are not much different from Vr unless high & hot airport wherein you are satisfying loss of engine while still on the runway, but considerably past V1 so as to have ability to climb on single engine. Generally a Bleeds Off T/O and what we used to call a Flaps 1-improived takeoff. Tis a good thing he put the nose back down to gain airspeed.
skanks
skanks 2
One of several things happened on this TO especially the idiot who either forgot the flaps, or tried a NO FLAP takeoff which is totally stupid and the V1/Vr speeds were wrong for a no flap takeoff [which is why the near tail strike on the first rotation without getting airborne] or the PNF called out V1/Vr 10 to 15 knots early and the PF flying responded to the call outs. Ya gotta pay attention to speeds, especially at max gross weight takeoffs...what was the T/O warning horn doing during this takeoff? If we only could hear the cockpit tape. JESSE: IF there was an instructor on board, he should be fired, as there is no reason to ever do a no flap takeoff on what appears to be a loaded/heavy 737. No one trains for NO FLAP takeoffs. We do train for no flap landings. IF they were ferrying the airplane due to a mechanical problem, they had the wrong "V" speeds! When the first notch of TE flaps [2 ] are selected, the LE flaps extend partially! It sure appears to me that the flaps were not extended...
Viperguy46
Thanks for the enlightment! I meant "practicing soft field takeoffs" which is different from a short field TO.
So you have to go to 2 notches of TE flaps to get the LE's to auto extend? Hmmmmm, I did not know that!
capcmdr
capcmdr 2
Air Morac, they call them flaps. Try using them on SFTOs
damonharvey
Easy guys....we yanks may use the checklists but at least recent news confirms we are holding a nice scotch in the other hand!!
PSUAth
They have scotch? I want some!
Viperguy46
That's funny, I don't care who you are! Unless I'm on your drunken pilot flight!
Blow breath test on every flight at the cockpit door where they use to stand as we boarded.
johnnyelectron
looks like they are moving the trailing flaps halfway down the runway?
Yazoo
Yazoo 1
My guess..... It could be an IOE. PF over-rotated. Stopped by the other pilot (hopefully the captain grin). Lowered the nose to the proper attitude and let the aircraft fly off. He might have rotated at the V1 call rather than the Vr. Although, with a flaps 1 takeoff you are normally close to a balanced field length where V1 and Vr are often the same.
Viperguy46
Pilot Error or Instructor Error? That is the question!
ssobol
Flaps 1 takeoff at flaps 5 speeds. Need to be more careful with the checklist.
data4unme
...this aircraft was not in Takeoff configuration. Use the checklist.

thstreff
Fred, If you watch the video again, you can see the leading edge slats are extended and the flaps are not. This actually is a Flaps 1 takeoff which is a normal takeoff configuration for the 737-800. Obviously, the airplane was rotated way to early. This could be caused from improper loading of the performance data into the FMS or many other reasons. Fly Safe!
JayBell
Commenced rotate without sufficient speed. I might need a bigger and clearer monitor, but it didn't look like the 737 had proper takeoff flap setting. My sympathies to the passengers and crew of these unsatisfactory airlines.
8984p
8984p 1
Wow! Rookies flying passengers, unbelievable
dmedders
From the cockpit, "No! No! You rotate at Vr not V1!!!"
htthree
So....we pull back on the yoke, when?
Doobs
Flaps were up. Didn't appear that he over rotated but he pulled it out. I was flying on a B-727 and we over rotated and scraped our "bum"! No problem. Too me...it's just another event that happens with no disastrous conciqueses.
Ptychodus
Like a juvenile albatross.
fedexman2
I see the near tail strike but not the stall. The plane obviously hadn't reached V1 speed yet. Hope they served alcohol on that flight. I'd been nervous!!
ah6oy
Strange wind. Windsock on field was limp but camera had wind blowing noises.
skylab72
skylab72 1
Those wings are not in a proper take-off configuration. LE slats are deployed but the TE controls look more like a climb setting. Glad he had enough room to recover.
Moviela
In some parts of the world any Prince can be a pilot. Trouble is this is how they fly. Turns out a 73 is not as forgiving as a Dromedary.

I cannot believe people who would not qualify to walk on the ramp in the US are allowed to fly the plane in other jurisdictions. I would think the aircraft insurance companies would require more complete training before accepting the risk.

Maybe it it time to address the pilot schools that seem to be more interested in loading students up with tuition loans than teaching good flying skills.
mbish01
Tikes!! Looks like some of my FS2004 efforts! Back to flight school for those 2 morons.
bettiem
bettiem 1
Thanks for the FS memory! :)
pilot62
note to self ... no Royal Air Moron flights allowed
Polochon
I believe they did not calculate the weight correctly. Hence, a series of wrong parameters were enterred. Such as V1 and VR for some...

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