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FAA Nationwide Ground Stop (Weds 1/11/23)

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he FAA is working to restore its Notice to Air Missions System. We are performing final validation checks and reloading the system now. Operations across the National Airspace System are affected. We will provide frequent updates as we make progress. (twitter.com) More...

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volvodadfast
volvodadfast 16
IMHO, the fact that this outage happened over night suggests that it was the result of a software update gone wrong.
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johntaylor571
John Taylor 13
They were converting from Windows 95 to Windows XP.
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Zot22
Bab Bezat 1
🤣🤣
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admiral506
wayne holder 1
🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Scumhook
Scumhook 8
lol yes this - it was Microsoft's monthly "Patch Tuesday"...
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fmorriso
F. M. 1
Correct me if my understanding is not correct, but Microsoft ditched Patch Tuesdays for a more fluid (e.g., unpredictable) patch rollup system.
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stephenjshaner
s s 6
Notice to Air "Missions" LOL
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ddbguru
Ben Seidman 6
Question to professional pilots: On a typical day, how much new information shows up in NOTAMs? If a runway was closed on Wednesday, but not on Tuesday, couldn't that be handled verbally by ATC? Or, is Tuesday's data deleted and the operations process dependent upon new data on Wednesday? I know there is probably a broad range of information that could appear in a NOTAM, but even a two-hour ground stop is extremely disrupting. Was this justified or an overreaction by the FAA in the name of "Abundance of Caution"?
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cmathis
Cody Mathis 6
NOTAMs have time periods of validity based on the length of time the reported condition will exist and/or be a factor for the safety of flight at a given airport. They are issued with that operational time period "printed" inside the information string, and so they can be published up to 72 hours prior to going active. Hundreds, if not thousands of NOTAMs are issued daily. The problem here, though, is that apparently every last one of them got deleted, which meant that operators needed to go back in and reissue their NOTAMs, including the ones that were presently active. Even as the system was being recovered, it was completely overwhelmed by operators simultaneously trying to reissue their field's NOTAMs. To answer your question, yes, we were all forced to go "Local" with our NOTAMs, which meant that they simply existed as verbal announcements in the published ATIS information every hour on the hour. In summary, it wasn't an issue of overreaction so much as it was a frantic attempt at data recovery. Either way you slice it, it was an epic failure.
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n555cf
rbt schaffer 1
For what it's worth, ATC must know about it. Not like anybody else reads it.
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n555cf
rbt schaffer 5
I liked the YouTube thingy. Controller stated NOTAMs were down and pilot replied 'Nobody reads them anyway. Then both broke up laughing,
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charlie02vy
Charlie Roberts 5
Guess that turning it off and turning it back on helped??
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jbsimms
James Simms 8
Or the scene from ‘Airport’ where the ATC character unplugged everything ‘Oops!’……..
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fmorriso
F. M. 2
THe RadarRange just needed to be unplugged and plugged back in.
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jbsimms
James Simms 2
Meant to say ‘Airplane’ not ‘Airport’.
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2trackyou
james barrett 1
At least he finally remembered to unplug the iron!
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johntaylor571
John Taylor 2
When all else fails, re-boot.
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EMK69
EMK69 4
Laughing
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tcavin
tcavin 28
LOL...notice to AIR MISSIONS.....maybe spend more time upgrading systems and less time with the virtue signaling
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MikeMohle
Mike Mohle 1
Absolutely! I am sure they also use the correct pronouns.
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dcarter2080
David Carter 0
Notices to Air Missions? aka Notices to Airmen. Airmen?? men? MEN!! Sexist. Chg to Air Missions.
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jimjallen
Jim Allen 0
God, I agree.
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dcarter2080
David Carter 5
Air Missions? Notice to Airmen? Hmmm.. . .men? AirMEN??? Oh, I see - men is sexist - chg to Missions. . . Air Missions.

Dear God, please help us!! (We don't have authority to strike down the idiots/wicked)
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RWSlater
Ron Slater 6
"...and the government launched an investigation into the breakdown, which grounded some planes for hours." Here, I'll fix that sentence for you. "and the government launched an investigation into the breakdown, which grounded all planes for hours."
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devsfan
ken young 8
Meanwhile our woefully unqualified Secretary of Transportation was MIA.
Probably taking yet another "paternity day" or "mental health day".
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stephwatts333
Stephanie Watts 7
Amen - he has had 2 years to fix this antiquated system and where has he been ?? Nursing his baby and taking vacations at our expense.
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yarnoca1
John Yarno 6
Or playing buttag...
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stephwatts333
Stephanie Watts 4
Amen - another useless government "official" who does nothing - endangering our precious pilots and passengers.
Butt ( pun intended) he gets a big paycheck nonetheless ... and gets away with it ....
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andymoss892
Andy Moss 8
Or giving another press conference about racist bridges.
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dbarnesmsn
dbarnesmsn 4
More likely flying around on his private GOVERNMENT jet!
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madrockradio
James Cross 2
VFR part 91 flights weren't grounded, so no, not all flights.
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johntaylor571
John Taylor 6
When did they change it from Notice to Airmen to Notice to Air Missions? Is that part of the "new" language being imposed?
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topgunnh
Peter McGrath 2
Yes, Mayor Pete felt that making that change made him appear to look "cooler" and not just incompetent@
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clausbu
Claus Buchholz 3
What about the FlightAware site being down half the day?
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Jaime1949
Jaime Terrassa 3
first was southwest now it's the faa they both has the same excuse computer software they claim that they don't have the money to up date there system and they still keep on milking the public.
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jkeifer3
Joe Keifer 6
NO(tice)T(o)A(ir)M(en) system.
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m4design
Andre Page 5
Maybe... NOtice to Pilots Everywhere... "NOPE" ;-)
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nathansthepilot
Nathan Cox 11
Exactly. Why does the FAA have to go woke with gender neutral BS?
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ChrisRisley
ChrisRisley 15
Elections have consequences.
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robjessup
Rob Jessup 7
The FAA has been operating "Without a Pair", in a gender neutral fashion for a very long time...
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Snoweer
Norm Dutot 2
30 yr old system needs yo be replaced!
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franciemr
Fran Moreno-Randle 2
So ... realistically, will the "glitch" be fixed? Honest question, I'm not being sarcastic.
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richter62
Eric Richter 1
There were 52 re-fuelers and many fighters scrambles all over the U.S. when the "Glitch" happened. It seems like it may have been a hack that they don't want to admit.
Just sayin....
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johntaylor571
John Taylor 1
Since the NOTAM's don't generally affect military, they were able to keep to their respective flying schedules.
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jkeifer3
Joe Keifer 2
It was "skinware".
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stvotw
John Smith 2
https://apnews.com/article/flight-delays-us-faa-updates-5805d15f520de8eadf52abb7b170487f?utm_source=homepage&utm_medium=TopNews&utm_campaign=position_01
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volvodadfast
volvodadfast 3
Fact that this outage happened over night suggests that it was the result of a software update gone wrong.
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RECOR10
RECOR10 4
George! George!!!! Mr. Orwell!!!! Are you AWAKE??????
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nathansthepilot
Nathan Cox 2
Any bets as to who the bad actor is? China? Why did the Canadian NOTAM system also go down?
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mikeosmers
Michael Osmers 1
Um … it’s a different country?
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eichmat
Tim Eichman 4
Read closely: Nathan's question was "Why did the Canadian NOTAM system also go down?" "WHY DID" not "WHY DIDN'T". So, since they are different countries, why did they both have NOTAM system failures the same day?

NAV Canada's response was: “We are still investigating the root cause of the failure,...[a]t this time, we do not believe the cause is related to the FAA outage experienced earlier today."
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stephwatts333
Stephanie Watts 2
Good response ... not a coincidence.
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skykingIII
Francis King 1
Lockheed Martin's text file was corrupted from age as were all the backup files.
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kenmartin23220
Kenneth Martin 1
Flew Wednesday from Midway to Richmond. Definitely not a stoppage, perhaps a slight slowdown. I arrived 15 minutes after my scheduled arrival time.

Flight tracker looked good all day long. The sky was full of aircraft.
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skykingIII
Francis King 1
Lockheed Martin's text file was corrupted from age as were all the backup files
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Topper1
W S Webb 0
FAA SHOULD PAY FOR ALL CUSTOMER EXPENSES? THEN BE REMOVED FROM FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SERVICE? THEY SHOULD PAY ALL AGE DECRIMINALIZATION LAWSUITS!!
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2trackyou
james barrett -6
Ever think that this was intentional because during that time window they, (as in Them v. Us), didn't want any eyes in the sky?
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lfilipov747
lfilipov747 1
Absolutely.
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aliamus
Steve Aliamus -1
CNN reporting it too: https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/faa-ground-stop-causes/index.html
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frumpy
frumpy 12
Why search for a news headline article that hasn't been written at the time when you could've just went directly to FAA's site? If you (in general) question the validity of a Twitter post, then go direct to the source!

https://www.faa.gov/newsroom
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eichmat
Tim Eichman 4
https://flightaware.com/miserymap/
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ColinSeftel
Colin Seftel 3
See https://uk.flightaware.com/live/cancelled/
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frumpy
frumpy 1
Why search for a news headline article that hasn't been written yet when you could've just went directly to FAA's site? If you (in general) question the validity of a Twitter post, then go direct to the source!

https://www.faa.gov/newsroom
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nasdisco
Chris B -4
Couldn't find anyone else reporting this when I commented, Don't trust twitter to be a 100% reliable source.
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KicksOnRoute66
Roger Anderson 4
But it's from the official FAA Twitter page.
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jimjallen
Jim Allen 3
Is this the same Twitter that made people pay a second time for the “official” star and if not, it was up for sale? Don’t trust a government tweet.. they’re not good at it
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nasdisco
Chris B -6
Couldn't find anyone else reporting this when I commented, Don't trust twitter to be a reliable source.
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