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Airbus and Dassault Pushes for Single-Pilot Operations Amidst Rising Automation

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PARIS — As technology evolves, plane manufacturers like Airbus and Dassault in Europe are championing the concept of planes being flown with a single pilot during most of a long-haul journey. This idea has not yet received widespread endorsement from their airline clientele. However, it's causing a stir among pilot unions, which argue that having less than two pilots onboard is a perilous venture. (www.airlinerwatch.com) More...

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SeanAwning
Sean Awning 27
Hold their annual board and shareholder meetings on single-pilot aircraft. Give it a few years to prove the concept. Then come back and make a solid proposal.
srobak
srobak 2
Most companies have policies preventing too many key personnel from traveling together.
SeanAwning
Sean Awning 1
So they secretly fantasize Putler's after theM/ I can understand POTUS and VPOTUS not traveling together. But for the rest, if they're not willing to bet their lives on a technology, they have no business gambling with our lives.
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 1
If the technology was ubiquitous, the developers would be using it as well
howardkoor
Howard Koor 1
Good idea.
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 1
If car manufacturers had to do that, we'd still have horse and carriage.
CarlT120
I agree.
JohnTuthill
JohnTuthill 17
Let's poll the Pax, I suspect many (me included) would not feel safe on a single pilot commercial flight
jeffinsydney
jeff slack 34
Bottom line Corporate greed over safety; short and sweet.
Even this pig does not wear or pretend to wear lipstick...............
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 0
Knock it off. Cost effects everyone. If the one (or no) pilot option becomes feasible, the CEO of United isn't going to buy another yacht. It's going to lower the price of a ticket.

My lord, neomarxist faculty lounges have done a bang-up job on the easily tricked.
claytonvandiver
Does anyone honestly believe that when costs in business are saved - those savings automatically get delivered to the consumer? Ever? Absolutely not. That is not how business works folks. If there are any savings to be made in operating a business the savings automatically go into the bottom line, the stockholders, and the bonuses for the executives who then buy another yacht. The consumer continues to pay exactly what the consumer is willing to pay and the market to bear.
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 1
And the market allows competition. If I want to buy 5 more yachts, I'll pass on the savings to my customers.

Gad, it's like no one wants to get rich anymore.
MikeMohle
Mike Mohle 2
I'll pay a little extra for pilots, pilot wages are a fraction of the operating cost of an airliner.
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 1
Yeah and Ukraine military aid is a fraction of the US defense budget.

Still something.

Anyway, there's no plot to kill customers. That seems like an odd way to conduct a business.
Nooge
Nooge 0
My lord, neomarxist faculty lounges

My lord !!! a true Connedservative
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 1
So the ratio of leftist professors to at least moderately conservative ones is....?

Talk about a bona fide graduate of same.
kevinkeswick
Kevin Keswick 45
At least once a week I read about an in-flight pilot incapacitation sometimes even resulting in death. I would never get on a plane with just one pilot. Are these people nuts?
SeanAwning
Sean Awning 31
Yes. However, they don't envision a single pilot alone. They envision either a human on the ground taking over and running the aircraft as a drone, or having an AI aboard the plane who can "decide" like a very experienced four-striper. Since we're doing so very well with driverless cars, extend our current state of the art to the far more complex task of flying, and it's obvious Airbus and Dassault are living in a fantasy world. They'd be better off in the near term, investing money in pilot training.
k1121j
k1121j 25
No thank you to the drone thing. That's all i need is a hacker taking over my plane while in flight.
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 1
We already know they don't need to hack the computers to take over a plane. This is particularly pertinent on this day.
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 1
Can't they do that whether or not there's a pilot on board?
I suppose if the only way to take back control of a hacked flight is to have a human inboard who can with the flick of a switch return the aircraft to old-fashioned control by completely severing ties with the computers, sure.

Is that how it works now? Can a modern commercial jet be flown without computers?
jmilleratp
jmilleratp 11
That's one BIG drone!
AlanGlover
Alan Glover -1
There's a few of the US military use that are pretty big
srobak
srobak 6
No thanks on the commercial airliner sized drone, and hell naw on the AI thing.
musephoto
Geoff Rowe 10
Gees, Imagine a 9/11 scenario happening every week!
ColinSeftel
Colin Seftel 4
Actually I'm thinking that a remote pilot could have taken over control of the 911 flights from the hijackers.
skyminister
skyminister 5
That doesn't seem feasible. What if the Hijackers know how to override the remote access or worse yet, as part a bigger plan, jam communications that enable remote flying.
harriergnawing0c
Stef Lar 2
How expensive do you think signal jammers are?
TimDyck
Tim Dyck 1
Not very. I can probably make one if I felt inclined too but I have no reason to do so.
gacoon
gacoon 3
Hope their internet works better than mine
jalforhz
Manny Hart 1
" or having an AI aboard the plane who can "decide" like a very experienced four-striper."
No thanks. Been aggravating myself for 4 weeks over a banking issue caused when Supposedly competent programmers decided to improve the statement format. It's bad enough enough when a programmer screws up a non-lethal project - but controlling an aircraft??? AI is nowhere near there now.
ssobol
Stefan Sobol 3
German Wings flight was intentionally crashed by one of the pilots of a two man crew. Potentially, the EgyptAir 767 crash was intentional action by a crew member. There are other examples. AF447 crashed even with a cockpit full of pilots. More planes crash by intentional/inappropriate/incorrect crew action than by potential pilot incapacitation.
srobak
srobak 3
all that does is show that while enough additional crew are stepping up in instances of incapacitation - not enough have been in times of intentional instances.
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 1
Yes all the developers are teenagers.

Seriously?
Overtoom
Paul Overtoom 14
It is undoubtedly a great way to help reduce air travel. Speaking for myself: I will never be found aboard a complex aircraft that is single-pilot flown.
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 1
Are you sure that you don't trust that the option if available would be safe?

I would not judge that anyone supporting this eventuality would have any less interest in safety than you or me.
mgsegal
Mark Segal 13
What happens if the single pilot aborad an Airbus 340 half way across the Atlantic suffers a fatal heart attack? What system continues to fly this plane and land it safely at the nearest accommodating airport?
madrockradio
James Cross 1
Highly doubt they'll ever add this to the A340. I love those birds but they're old, some even still use steam gauges for backup attitude indicators.
druck13
druck13 4
Hey! I worked on the A330/340 software in the mid 90's, it wasn't that long ago...

[Remembers the type of processors, comms protocols, and the maturity of the software development process]

...OK, I see your point!
druck13
druck13 9
Oh, and as both an aviation software engineer, and a private pilot myself, there is no way I am trusting my life to a single pilot backed up by automation on a commercial airliner.

Two pilots, or I walk.
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 1
Didn't they used to say that about the automobile regarding travel by horse-drawn carriage....also not all that long ago?

Walking is very good for you but impractical to make that meeting in Chicago tomorrow afternoon.
druck13
druck13 2
I was thinking more of walking off the plane and getting a differrent flight!
Nooge
Nooge 0
Walking is very good for you but impractical to make that testimony in Fulton County tomorrow afternoon.

Tiny goes by Air Farce One
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 0
MLK Jr had to walk to his.

Fulton County....following orders since 1960.
claytonvandiver
I genuinely begin to think anyone in favor of one or no commercial pilot operation are probably under 30-35 years of age and anyone who believes that is not such a good idea is probably over 35. I base my theory according to the comments about tech, steam gauges (which have proven to work perfectly well in any aircraft as they have for far longer than glass cockpits have existed), and the fallacy that if you have electricity it is better to use it than any other method of accomplishing the task - until electricity fails and those old timers are still out there flying while the young folk are trying to figure out how to shift gears without automatic transmissions, read without knowing cursive, and fly without the screen that just went dark and took every single instrument with it.
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 1
And some people still hand-draw water from a well but if they can access electricity, shouldn't we suggest they get an electric-motor driven pump?
TimDyck
Tim Dyck 2
Nothing wrong with drawing your own water. The pump is good exercise…unless you’re drawing water for 200 head of cattle in which case the electric pump is mighty handy.
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 1
Airliners have been able for a while now to taxi, take off, fly, land and taxi to the gate by computer alone.
Naturally we aren't yet there regarding liability but just as despite the negative press about driverless cars the facts show there will be far fewer accidents since most are human error-caused so will aviation be similarly affected eventually.

Do you allow computers to handle your banking? Why? It may not be as important as your corporeal life but it's right up there.

Personally I want to have two qualified pilots on every flight but that's because I am a product of a certain way of thinking with which I grew up.

If driverless or even pilotless travel turns out to save lives, save damage costs and be more reliable wouldn't we be foolish not to embrace it?
claytonvandiver
Two words: Boeing Max.
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 1
Yeah, the Wright brothers were wasting their (and our) time.
jalforhz
Manny Hart 1
"but it's right up there." Nowhere near.
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 1
If using the odds that always exist I'll bet your portfolio is right up there....especially if you ever get into an automobile.

By far the most dangerous part of any flight are the ground trips to and from the airport.
ZombieSazza
Sorcha MacLennan 10
Well it’ll definitely reduce passenger numbers and flights, because most of us would avoid the hell out of a single pilot flight.
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 1
I'll take that bet any day.
theaustenite
When will the greed stop? When will overabundance be enough?
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 1
Don't you look for the cheapest airfare?

Pretty greedy, dude.
Fabreps
Jim McDiarmid -3
Ask Joe and Hunter
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 1
Uhuh. They'll tell the truth.
Nooge
Nooge 0
Jim bro... the Bye Don Derangement Syndrome reveal is not very flattering

Hate to tell you it is going to be a tough couple of years for you and inmate number P01135809 aka s as"Tiny"by Ms Daniels
AlanGlover
Alan Glover -3
Unless you and your TDS approved of eventual President Nelson Mandela being incarcerated for 30 plus years, I'd hold off on the virtue signaling.

It's clear democrats have abandoned the First Amendment and are trying like heck to remove the Second but looking at the polls, aren't you the least bit concerned that trying to imprison your political opponent (who is currently besting you in many polls) is the definition of totalitarianism?

No you don't. Neomarxism is a terminal disorder.
Nooge
Nooge -1
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AlanGlover
Alan Glover -1
A security state aficionado such as yourself is by far the greatest threat to democracy.

Assuming the statements are true, an opinion does not an argument make and since when did "flawed" become an impeachable and illegal offense?

Your trust in your masters is touching yet naive.

If nothing else, Trump has laid bare the censorious authoritarian zeitgeist of which you are apparently a cheerleader.

Nothing will ever be the same again thanks to DJT regardless the outcome of this persecution. ;)
robertsonfox
One aspect that has not been mentioned but will over rule most else is insurance. Most underwriters that I have met won't touch a single pilot public transport aircraft with a barge pole and their increased premiums, assuming you could get enough underwriters to take the risk, will very soon dwarf the cost of the second pilot. The possibility of sophisticated Hi jackers taking over a ground control station and leading fully laden aircraft into a twin towers situation must also be considered.
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 2
They did it with two pilots on board so regardless the security the attempts will be made.
I imagine it will be much easier to secure a ground station than the aircraft itself...unless every flight has armed marshalls aboard....talk about higher prices.
ypsharma45
It is imperative the any commercial aircraft be equipped with two pilots regards of the degree of automation because in the unlikely event of one pilot going air sick or gets incapacitated, the other pilot can land the plane safely on land / sea thus saving lives of passengers as well as saving the aircraft from heavy losses.
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 1
I felt the same about the horse and carriage.
RWSlater
Ron Slater 6
Automation is great, however there still needs to be a human to punch the buttons, and if the ONE pilot keels over from a heart attack, who will push the buttons? One pilot ops for airliners will never happen IMHO
ballroomdelta
I’ll really miss George Kennedy, but Hoiiywood will have new material for 3 or 4 more Airport movies with a 2001 A Space Odyssey format. A lone pilot and an AI named Hal.YouTube the ending.
leaf4evr
Paul Ipolito 6
No, no, and no. Not interested. I would not fly to Dublin or Shannon to collect a pot o' gold with a lone pilot.
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 1
With the price of gold these days?

I'd chance it.
bt1104053
Bob Turner 6
WOW, its sure going to get hard to get real life experience if you can’t go along as a copilot. Next thing you know the new captains you trust your passengers with won’t have a clue how to deal with problems they might have encountered as copilot.
gacoon
gacoon 1
That is an excellent reply and holds much truth to it.
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 1
Good point.

Still, AI is going to run the world. It's yet to be seen if totalitarians or libertarians will be the model AI will mimick but no doubt it will have a supremely logical explanation for its decisions.
jbermo
jbermo 5
Just the "Camel's nose under the tent" for the following step to fully autonomous flight. Such hi-tech desires and ambitions just won't go away . . . in fact, they will never go away.
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 1
It's going to happen regardless. The next generations will smile ruefully thinking back to when people complained about pilotless travel.
MikeMohle
Mike Mohle 1
I am glad I am old! Probably won't happen in my lifetime.
wallymorph
Wally Morph 5
As I have stated before on a similar article, this has nothing to do with safety, rather another tiny tick in a box to say ‘my aeroplane running costs are cheaper than the competition’

If they are serious about automation replacing real people, then replace managers with AI from the CEO down, save a fortune and I would suspect no deaths from bad decisions.
ajitkrishnamohan
And the first decision taken by those AI managers will be to replaced human pilots with more AI.
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 0
I believe white collar jobs are at far greater risk than blue regarding AI.

A computer can analyze data and pick the most efficient solution far faster than a human.

We are a ways off however from the day AI can go into the basement and fix the plumbing.
RainbowRiver
Phil Nolden 5
Been flying since age 14 in a J-3 (with an instructor). Flew in Viet Nam (3AM and a DFC), corporate, and retired as a captain for a major U.S. passenger carrier. Anyone who would depend upon a single pilot in commercial aviation needs to have their head examined!
thundergob
Martin Allan 5
I really like your comment Sean Awning it would also be a good confidence inspiring move for the customers!
SeanAwning
Sean Awning 8
I'm not that kind. Executives and majority shareholders are a dime a dozen. Good lab rats. Flight crew, cabin crew, maintenance crew, ground crew -- those are specialists who need training and experience to do their jobs, harder to replace.
SeanAwning
Sean Awning 1
OK, I'll double down. Have them meet the same drug testing rules as the pilots. Have them stop drinking 8 hours before a flight designed to prove the concept. Let them sit in comfort until 30 minutes before descent, then bring them with a handler to the jumpseats and have them watch the pilots work. On short final, have ATC order them to execute a missed approach with the wheels less than 200 feet above the runway, and divert to a different airport, so they see what "routine" changes in plan do to the workload. Clean and sober, I bet they change their minds. And if they still want to proceed, put them all on one plane and fly them around until the concept is proven, with as man Autolands as possible.
jbbooks1
Lewis Tripp 8
If there isn't two in the front office, and it don't fly on jet fuel, Lew Tripp ain't going.
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 1
Prop aircraft are fun.
srobak
srobak 0
You must not fly on many small biz jets, then.
ED3000
Edgar Costa 4
Stop Madness
Let’s keep 2 Pilots
Passengers Safety should always be priority Number One
tedperezfa
Ted PEREZ 4
Starting with military cargo operations concurrent with commercial cargo operations. Followed by short haul regional operations to /from dedicated airfields.
ypsharma45
Defibrillator rushed to cockpit as medical emergency forces WestJet flight back to Calgary
Submitted about a year ago
A plane flying from Calgary to Atlanta Monday afternoon was forced to turn around due to a medical emergency involving the pilot. WestJet flight 1590 landed safely at Calgary International Airport at 1:12 p.m. Monday, just less than about an hour after taking off, according to public flight logs. Strangely WestJet declined to comment on the condition of the pilot citing "privacy". EMS that had been dispatched to the airport did not have any patient contact and left so I wonder if the… (headtopics.com) More...
Overtoom
Paul Overtoom 4
We may have to remind Airbus and Dassault of the scope and importance of the classic four-eyes-principle. One of the more important reasons that my airmiles are safer than my ground miles is that I drive my car alone.
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 1
Clever although I wonder why all automobiles aren't then the driving instructor kind with two steering wheels and mandatory two-drivers rules?

Cost.

Efficiency.

Liberty.

Everything has a price.
rdzr1
rdzr1 4
I think this one is more about one pilot in the cockpit during portions of a long haul flight for Airbus and the ability of one crewmember to rest in the cockpit for Dassault. Some relatively short international flights require augmented crews under Part 121 that may be better served with automation. Same with Dassault where they propose a fully reclining cockpit seat for brief crew rest on long flights given the state of the automation on their jets.
ssobol
Stefan Sobol 3
Garmin has a system for smaller planes (including multiengine and light jets) that will take total control of the aircraft if someone pushes the emergency button. No reason a plane with an extensive autopilot like pretty much any modern airliner couldn't have it too.

https://discover.garmin.com/en-US/autonomi/
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 1
It's inevitable.
jdriskell
James Driskell 4
this makes as much sense as a self-driving car! With all the automation on board a 777, the Koreans still put one in the sea wall at SFO.
spm71
Sean Mathews 4
Not the best example. Had they let the airplane shoot an autoland the accident wouldn't have happened.
jdriskell
James Driskell 6
They forgot the first rule: Aviate!
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 1
My point.

Computers will cause accidents....but far fewer than humans.

When's the last time your bank made an arithmetic error?
jlfc
jose figueroa 2
No way I would fly in a plane a single pilot.
CAH747
I think that the concept of one pilot is good . Now I also want you to spend 9 months producing it, then 21 years training it plus 3 more years specializing in air movement above the ground, you will also need a A I check ( overseer) in place to clear regulations.. Am I much to advanced for you?? I'll ride it it, but in 27 years I'll be dust.
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 0
The increase in knowledge has been exponential. Where technology used to take the time you mention brevity now reigns.
Think of the cell phone.

AI will determine whether or not humans ⁰are obsolescent. That come-to-pass is so much closer than we imagine.
BlueEagle125
Juan G Mendez 2
There is a very good reason for having two pilots at the controls of a passenger carrying jet. The development of new technology for controlling the path of the aircraft doesn't obviate the reason(s). This may be one of those things we can do but perhaps should not do. Technology is not reason enough to take this step, and the savings of overhead doesn't justify this step. We need more time and development before pushing this forward.
dalej2
Dale Johnson 2
What IF that one pilot has a heart attack and dies on one of those long haul trips? I can't imagine the fear that will strike the passengers riding in a pilot-less ghost plane.
TimDyck
Tim Dyck 1
No the Flight attendant just has to activate the Otto Pilot and all will be OK.
Just kidding. I guess the plane will just fly until it runs out of fuel and then finds it’s own way to the ground. One thing is certain is that eventually they all return to the ground.
aca856
Rob Hall 2
I can't help but wonder how AI would handle extreme or 'unusual' failures i.e. would AI have 'opted' to land in The Hudson? Could AI compose creative solutions to problems? After reading 'Fate is the Hunter', I can't help but think of some of the scenarios that Captain Gann managed to come up with that saved the day that AI probably could not even consider. How does one 'code' pilot instinct and 'thinking outside the box', even making the aircraft do things it's not supposed to do to avoid catastrophe?
RainbowRiver
Phil Nolden 2
Been flying since age 14 in a J-3 (with an instructor). Flew in Viet Nam (3AM and a DFC), corporate, and retired as a captain for a major U.S. passenger carrier.


Anyone who would depend upon a single pilot in commercial aviation needs to have their head examined!
helensreekumar
Just like inventing the Atom bomb to end the world war and hoping that all will be fine, AI is the next invvention which will bring our world closer to midnight on the doomsday clock.
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 1
At least humans control (controlled?) nuclear weapons.

AI, not so much.
jrgp1
What will happen when the pilot has go and lay a couple of turds. Ask one of the flight attendants to mind the store? This is ridiculous. But, hell, Airbus always was ridiculous.
Propwash122
Peter Fuller 2
Depends
jmilleratp
jmilleratp 4
Just stop. With some older pilots dying right in their flightdeck seats, this is an outright crazy idea. Of course it comes from Airbus.
EileenKerrigan
It's not just older pilots -- in fact, it's the pilots in the mid-range age group that are keeling over most often. In other words, the ones most likely to have been adversely affected by the mandated COVID shots :-/
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 1
Good comparison.

It isn't because the "vaccines" weren't "safe and effective"...although they aren't safe for many and do not prevent contraction or spread.

It's the mandates.

You never will be forced to fly in an airplane but looking at covid you know there are people who would support it.
avionik99
avionik99 -2
You would only need half the pilots, therefore you can just lay off all the old ones?
frankidee
Frank DeLeon 4
Yes, that seems to be their bottom line. Follow the money.
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 1
...right to your airline ticket.

Heck if you want, we'll add 200$ to your ticket and have 4 pilots....and a quarter the flights with 100% delays.
TimDyck
Tim Dyck 1
So seniority no longer matters?
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 1
dwlamm
David Lamm 2
Reminds me of Otto in the farce flick Airplane. Otto suffered a deflating emergency. No thanks, I would rather walk, thank you!
TimDyck
Tim Dyck 2
But any flight clerk can easily reinflate a limp Otto Pilot.
gbcotten
greg cotten 2
It would appear to me most of the commenters did not read the first line of the article, so I will quote it “…advocate for one-pilot operations during majority of long-haul flights.”

That does not state nor imply only a single pilot in the air. One should infer that both pilots are in the cockpit for takeoff and landing, so for a very long haul flight you might see a reduction from 4 to 3 pilots and on a shorter one from 4 to 2 as a possibility, depending on the crew rest rotation.
franciemr
No, I don't think commenters are not reading this correctly. The article states:
"In response to the mounting concerns, Janet Northcote, EASA’s communications director, stated that any approval for reduced crew flights would necessitate proof from manufacturers that the safety standards are comparable to current two-pilot operations."
The quote can easily lead one to understand that not even 2 pilots will be part of the crew. Just my 2 cents.
CAH747
Will ticket sales increase so company can make a profit? I don't think so.
FredSuarez
Fred Suarez 1
Do NOT support one pilot !!.
Have we had pilots sick ?, Yes.
Have we had pilots dead?, had one recent !!.

Do not agree !, support! fs
claytonvandiver
When the Flight Engineer was eliminated many decades ago and a three man workload was reduced to two man, there were accidents and innocent lives were lost. When automation recently brought many innocent lives to an abrupt end on the 737 Max even with the attention of a two man crew, I thought the point had been finally made to administrators about the dangers of relying solely upon automation and how valuable the human element really is. I see now that there is no level of stupid that administrator will not stoop to as long as someone saves a few pennies and continues not to have any regard for common sense or value for human life. Jeff Goldblum playing Dr. Ian Malcolm in Jurassic Park reminded us that often we become so eager to do something because we "can" that we completely forget to think about whether or not we "should." I vote that we should not. I support my vote with critical thinking and the lives of every soul lost since flight engineers were eliminated that could have been saved by the addition of that 1 extra set of experience on board.
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 1
I would like to see the NTSB (TSBC in Canada) accident reports that state an accident could have been prevented based on the number of working personnel on board.
TimDyck
Tim Dyck 1
Sadly I don’t think this will end well…
Viperguy46
Jesse Carroll 1
Just say NO!
I'll take a bus or drive myself!
DRotten
D Rotten 1
With all of these (Injected) pilots getting ill/dying in the cockpit.....good luck with THAT! If I still took 'plane rides', there would be no way on Earth that I would ever set foot on a 'single pilot' flight!
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 1
As is your right.
aboriginee
Ok, then let the commercial aircraft mechanics work in maintenance also without checker and without the four eye principle in their own responsibility. The experiences for the introduction of the four eye principle in the air and on the ground was written with blood and are an iron pillar of aviation. The designer of pilotless aircraft with passenger transportation will certainly not want to do without redundant systems. So why should one forego redundancy when using human “components”. I think in the mass pax transportation will the flight without pilots on board meet a psychologically big and high barrier and rejection. In some cases have human intuition and experience saved lifes. (Sorry for my poor and simple english)
TimDyck
Tim Dyck 3
Due to budget constraints that Iron Pillar has been replaced with one made out of paper mache and no longer has any integrity.
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 1
Your point is understood. We only get better with practice so good on you.

I repeat however that travel by ground transportation is far more dangerous than any air travel so if we were really serious about preventing damage, injury and death not only would 2 drivers be mandatory but helmets would also be required.
JMcCague
J McCague 1
No pilot cargo flights are already being conducted in northern Canada .
TimDyck
Tim Dyck 1
Were? I live up here and have never seen one or even heard of one.
ctrautve
To be clear about Dassault's plans: the Falcon 10X will still be a two-crew airplane. But to reduce the need for a third flight crewmember on long-range trips, the pilot seats will be able to fully recline to allow one of the pilots to lie flat and rest during the cruise phase while the other monitors/flies the airplane. Both pilots remain in the cockpit at all times when this occurs, and the flying pilot can always awaken the resting pilot if there's any problems.
TimDyck
Tim Dyck 4
So a pilot having a heart attack or stroke can just reach over and wake up the other pilot?
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 1
Seriously? You think this design won't obviate that eventuality?
brwitte1
Barry Witte 1
These comments are somewhat speculative. I encourage everyone interested to read the technical details of US Patent US 8,761,965

Spoiler alert: Boeing already has this figured out - way back in 2014- -with as few as zero pilots or any number of unauthorized pilots.
Mmeyers7167
Michael Meyers 1
One less $500K a year body in in the cockpit is a good thing for the stock shareholders. Imagine how the profit margins will increase.
RexBentley
Rex Bentley 4
Yeah, wrecked airplanes and dead passengers are just the cost of doing business, public will get over it, right?
TimDyck
Tim Dyck 1
That’s why they have insurance…
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 1
Alcohol is the #1 reason for tragedies of all kinds including flight accidents.

Make it illegal and gun deaths, car accidents, domestic incidents, murder, rape, etc. all are reduced big time...
So why is it one of the few exceptions to the covid lockdowns were liquor stores?

Facts as they say don't care about your feelings.
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 1
...and your ticket price will decrease.
AlanGlover
Alan Glover 1
The price of tickets has plummeted in real numbers let alone adjusted for inflation. Only the well-off used to be able to fly (Men in suits, women in hats and gloves....it was a special occasion).

Now the great unwashed can have their egomaniacal and juvenile punch ups in the air as easily as they can on a city bus.

Again, a poor man never gave you a job or ptovided capital for innovation and the increase in prosperity so more rich folks please.
Mmeyers7167
Michael Meyers -1
You can’t stop AI! It’s coming and there is nothing you can do. Start with Cargo Operations, then move to passenger operations.

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