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Man Facing Charges For Defying TSA Agents

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Phil Mocek was arrested at the Albuquerque Sunport in November of 2009 after he refused to show I.D. to TSA officers at the security checkpoint. Police say Mocek became disruptive. They arrested him and charged him with disorderly conduct, refusing to obey an officer, criminal trespassing, and concealing his identity. “This is the first time anybody anywhere in the country has actually been arrested and put on trial on criminal charges for anything that happens at a TSA checkpoint,” Hasbrouck… (www.kob.com) さらに...

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HunterTS4
He sure showed them.........
TTail
TTail 0
That lady in AUS not only got arrested she is banned from bergstrom airport, for defying the "authorities" biggest crock of crap that the government has EVER pulled on its own citizens. IMHO.
kb9uwu
how is this possibly happening with the republicans in control of the house?
kb9uwu
really? i thought republicans created the tsa in the early 2000's? i could be wrong.
Jfueler
Jfueler 0
Someones on a power trip.
shortimer
Lt. Col Chevalier, you are wrong and need to study this issue more. The regulations requiring an ID for getting through the security check point was in place early in the Bush (Republican) administration. I fly regularly and have been asked to show my ID since at least 2004.
spiritwarrior46
You've always had to show ID even before TSA was created so where's the problme? The problem is when someone trys to be stupid and make a statement that doesn't need to be made.
jasscarff
Do you really want unidentified people on flights? What's jackbooted thuggery about asking for i.d.?
kb9uwu
Anything that has to do with Obama, democrats or the current administration.
chris13
I don't ever remember a time when ID didn't have to be shown at some point. It used to be just at the ticket counter.
And remember when the TSA was created? Then-Senator Tom Daschle (D-SD) said "You don't professionalize unless you Federalize." The problem is, we hired the same dolts that were doing screening before, and gave them the power of the Federal government.
AccessAir
Actually, you DIDNT have to start showing positive ID until after the FIRST Gulf War in 1991....I have been a travel agent since 1989 and people could get away with using another person's airline ticket with out ANYONE checking ID....Matter factly, until I got my driver's license, which was when I was 20 years old in 1987..(Dont ask) I flew without ANY picture ID on airliners starting in 1983!!!!
I have no problem with showing who I am to get on the plane...What I DO mind are invasive body scans and or enhanced pat downs which to me are a great invasion of personal privacy. There are other ways of doing this job!!
jsdwd
I have flown many times pre-9/11 and never was required to show ID. So the statement that "You've always had to show ID even before TSA was created..." is simply not true. Personally, I have no problem with the requirement. As for the incident in question, I wasn't there so can't really say what happened. But it would seem that his disruptive behavior is what got him arrested and not his refusal to show ID.

Suggesting, as many right-wingers here do, that this has something to do with Democrats or Obama reveals more about their motives and biases than it does with the case itself.
cowbert
Cow Bert 0
@jasscarff
Why not? The excuse for implementing the whole ID requirement was all about preventing people from surreptitiously blowing up a plane (and after 9/11, we discovered that passengers will no longer tolerate any other kind of hijacking), which has nothing to do with who is flying, only what they're bringing aboard. Of course, explosives screening is currently a total fail too.
FR8DAWG
FR8DAWG 0
I've noticed a common theme in all these comments, not only on Flight Aware but elsewhere as well. They start fairly civilized and within 10-15 posts, it degenerates into a political bashing of anyone with a differing point of view even if the topic is not political in nature. It is a direct reflection of where we are as a nation divided. Blue against red and not right or wrong. Question is, will we ever come together as one people? Do we even have that possibility?
Tillery
Tillery 0
FR8DAWG ... You are a sensible person in a sea of angry creatures.
wrg1967
Opinions are like a ass on a horse, all horses have one...
kb9uwu
So everyone else is an angry creature? :(
fencer1964
Thom C. 0
@FR8DAWG
Beat me to it...we're people who share a common love of liberty and what I'll call (for lack of a less jingoistic term) The American Way. But more and more I'm of the "Those who are willing to sacrifice liberties for security deserve neither," frame of mind. This kind of control is not what made us a great country--and these ad-homienm attacks based solely on administration/political affiliation really have no place in what should be a much more civilized discussion.

Ever hear of "No Labels?"
Lee1209
JOhn LEe 0
Nothing wrong with being assertive. No need to be conformist and like lemmings. The truth eventually sifts out. Anger is a good motivator.
jsdwd
What's anger got to do with it?

The facts are the facts. Misconstruing them is not OK. Describing those who blame the TSA's miscues on Democrats and Obama (???) is the provence of right-wingers. They see Democrats and especially Obama as the root of all problems. One need only examine their words to see that. Pointing that out is not a political statement per se; only an observation.
jasscarff
@ Cow Bert
I don't think I need to defend the right of a carrier to make sure that the person to whom they've sold a ticket is the person who's in the seat. If your sense of civil liberties is that prickly, what do you do at the bank? I don't like the job the TSA is doing and I would refuse a full body scan. Backscatter x-rays are potentially very dangerous. I also don't like how "watch lists" have been used. It's been clumsy and abusive to many travelers. That being said, like some of the guys here, I'm tired of those who force political nonsense into contexts where it doesn't belong, whether you're left or right. Presenting i.d. to travel is a minimal intrusion into a traveler's private life and protesting it seems childish to me. I'm willing to fight the government, but there's something to be said for picking your fights. And, as others have mentioned, the guy was arrested for getting abusive, not just refusing to i.d. himself.
bcfd29
what happened to this being an AVIATION centric forum? if you want to bitch about TSA go hang out with Glenn Beck or Sarah Palin. IF you chose to disobey the law, create a disturbance, or act in a manner that creates a potential hazard to yourself or others, you are guilty of disorderly conduct. It is against the law to not produce ID when a law enforcement officer orders you to do so; you can be held until such time as you can be identified or produce ID. Welcome to the real world!
rocketman32
Thank you bcfd29. Right on.
Buly
Buly 0
He said it right:
When Government Fear The People There is Liberty.
When People Fear The Government There is Tyranny.
Thomas Jefferson (1743–1826)
preed66617
Pat Reed 0
MY only concern here is what constituted the charge "Disruptive"? Is the act of refusing "Disruptive"? The few articles I have seen here all have the same theme. Refuse and be labled disruptive. Thats the scary part.
donhodges
Did anyone notice how many charges were brought against him for being disruptive? That is a sign of a bad government.
ou42football
Hey, Matt! Were you ASLEEP during "Fat-Teddy" Kennedy's constant herangue about IMMEDIATELY turning fat, stupid PRIVATE SECURITY EMPLOYEES into "FREAKIN' FEDERAL GENIUSES" overnight by IMMEDIATELY turning them into FEDERAL UNION EMPLOYEES? Yeah... Just what I would expect from a mentally disabled Progressive ass-hat!
DB777
Don Boyd 0
And on Friday the man was CLEARED OF ALL CHARGES from his arrest!

http://www.pixiq.com/article/traveler-activist-cleared-of-charges-against-TSA
captainjman
Cleared of all charges... sounds like a victory! I wonder how they flipped this guys life upside down? Im not saying he isn't an idiot... for god sakes, and ID???? there are legitimate issues that need attention this isnt one of them. Bu there are a lot of problems with the government and TSA. I would feel a lot better about my civil liberties if those body scanners went away, maybe see the bad parts of the "patriot act" disappear or get modified.. etc etc
cfiasmeli
I hate everybody. Goto hell..
MrTommy
MrTommy 0
I love that this guy got off. The government has a tendency to say there are laws about 'whatever' when actually, there are not. We just assume there are because 'they' say there are. Sad state of affairs.
Airons
OK so lets offer everyone 2 flights, the one w/o any security checks, nothing, and one you have to pass security to get on. What the F!
Flyntime
Mr. Tommy, I agree... "Sad state of affairs.

Allen, I'm okay with no invasive pat downs or body scanners. Of course with no security I'll be able to bring my own defense measures and will protect myself rather than depending on the government to do it for me.
captainjman
OH SNAP! finally someone gets it (Chris). Maybe, just maybe we could defend ourselves. That at least would give us a fighting chance. I found it ironic that people where happy to hear about the shoot down tactic. HELLO!?!?!?! How does that me feel better. Youre telling me people feel better about shooting down a civilian airliner than using common sense and profiling? Let me get this straight, I still don't get it... how is killing EVERYONE on board better? Fairness? What about that other plane next to us on final.. it COULD be hijacked too. For fairness sake you need to shoot them all down! LOL. HOW RETARDED!!! This is NOT about fairness, its about enemy combatants. Profiling wrong, but killing is right? Seriously, WTF people?
DB777
Don Boyd 0
More details on the case and the verdict at:
http://www.papersplease.org/wp/mocek/

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