ANA Boeing 787 Dual Engine Shutdown Upon Landing!

← Back to Squawk list

ANA Boeing 787 Dual Engine Shutdown Upon Landing!

送信時刻：丁度一年（虎舞流ｗ）前

All Nippon Airways is currently investigating an incident that occurred on the 17th of January that saw both engines of one of their Boeing 787-8 Dreamliners shutdown simultaneously. (www.fliegerfaust.com) さらに...

MH370

47 人のメンバーからのコメント

Sort type: [Top] [Newest]

SkyAware123 丁度一年（虎舞流ｗ）前 7

If it's got software, it's got bugs.

返信 ↓•パーマリンク•Report

paul gilpin 丁度一年（虎舞流ｗ）前 3

that's not a bug.

that's a feature.

返信 ↓•パーマリンク•Parent•Report

bentwing60 丁度一年（虎舞流ｗ）前 2

Yeah, where are Kay and Jay when you need em? think MIB

返信 ↓•パーマリンク•Parent•Report

crk112 丁度一年（虎舞流ｗ）前 2

Zed we got a bug !

返信 ↓•パーマリンク•Parent•Report

Colin Seftel 丁度一年（虎舞流ｗ）前 5

Was this a malfunction of a safety function intended to prevent activation of TR in flight?

返信 ↓•パーマリンク•Report

ynot ssor 丁度一年（虎舞流ｗ）前 11

From one of the articles: "It’s worth noting that a bulletin was released by Boeing not so long ago to pilots and maintenance crew about the Thrust Control Malfunction Accommodation (TCMA) system, which prevents risk in an uncommanded high-thrust situation, stating that errors in the landing sequence could cause the system to activate. The errors include a combination of selecting full reverse too quickly before the aircraft has transitioned to ground mode followed by a quick deactivation of reverse thrust. Boeing advises not to apply full reverse too quickly in the bulletin."

返信 ↓•パーマリンク•Parent•Report

Dennis Stockton 丁度一年（虎舞流ｗ）前 3

A hundred thousand more lines of code should prevent this from reocurring.

返信 ↓•パーマリンク•Report

Bob Harrington 丁度一年（虎舞流ｗ）前 1

...or at least add a decent pong game while they wait for the tow...

返信 ↓•パーマリンク•Parent•Report

ALLAN LEEDY 丁度一年（虎舞流ｗ）前 4

Magic.

返信 ↓•パーマリンク•Report

Shenghao Han 丁度一年（虎舞流ｗ）前 2

Ghost in the shell...

返信 ↓•パーマリンク•Report

john doe 丁度一年（虎舞流ｗ）前 2

Forty minutes for the tow truck to show up?

返信 ↓•パーマリンク•Report

Kevin Holly 丁度一年（虎舞流ｗ）前 3

Lets be honest. Bentwing is right. Pilot error. The odds of SIMULTANEOUS engine shut down at the exact moment RT is applied for any other reason are astronomical.

返信 ↓•パーマリンク•Report

a p 丁度一年（虎舞流ｗ）前 3

If it's no Boeing Im not...ohh wait...

返信 ↓•パーマリンク•Report

[This poster has been suspended.]

crk112 丁度一年（虎舞流ｗ）前 2

Just Boeing software in control of it?

返信 ↓•パーマリンク•Parent•Report

a p 丁度一年（虎舞流ｗ）前 -1

It's called freedom of speech, mate...
Btw I thought Boeing was an aircraft manufacturer, in fact a good one (not the best one but a good one...) not just a company putting parts together without any quality responsibility over their planes as a whole product.
Thanks for letting me know.

返信 ↓•パーマリンク•Parent•Report

Greg Huston 丁度一年（虎舞流ｗ）前 -1

Boeing and Airbus are the only game in town. Boeing > Airbus

返信 ↓•パーマリンク•Parent•Report

a p 丁度一年（虎舞流ｗ）前 0

You got stuck in 1970... or you meant "unable to fly Boeing planes > unable to fly Airbus planes?
Then you are right ;)

返信 ↓•パーマリンク•Parent•Report

linbb 丁度一年（虎舞流ｗ）前 2

Hey about that AA airlines airbus had an engine failure seems they have problems too or is this the first...………..?

返信 ↓•パーマリンク•Report

Kenneth Schmidt 丁度一年（虎舞流ｗ）前 2

Did that surprise you Linbb?

返信 ↓•パーマリンク•Parent•Report

Cansojr 丁度一年（虎舞流ｗ）前 1

What is your perplexing answer for this problem?

返信 ↓•パーマリンク•Parent•Report

Cansojr 丁度一年（虎舞流ｗ）前 1

I love the smart retorts but these clowns don't provide any suggestions or answers and down vote you like a bunch of stale weenies.

返信 ↓•パーマリンク•Parent•Report

Hideki Fujino 丁度一年（虎舞流ｗ）前 1

What's happening with rolls-royce engines?
Reliability....

返信 ↓•パーマリンク•Report

Dave Mathes 丁度一年（虎舞流ｗ）前 1

....new fuel saving feature...

返信 ↓•パーマリンク•Report

Greg77FA 丁度一年（虎舞流ｗ）前 1

Well written software would capture the incident. To write it off as a "glitch", is the easy way for the software team to write it off as a anomaly, until it happens again. The answer lies in the code, and I doubt ANA wants to spend time finding the root cause, as that would require a lot of time and money, unless the code was written well.

返信 ↓•パーマリンク•Report

Greg Clanfield 丁度一年（虎舞流ｗ）前 1

It makes a lot of difference if they shutdown after touchdown, rather than on final. The article attached says they shutdown after touchdown. BIG Difference!!

返信 ↓•パーマリンク•Report

lecompte2 丁度一年（虎舞流ｗ）前 1

Not good

返信 ↓•パーマリンク•Report

Cansojr 丁度一年（虎舞流ｗ）前 1

That's a perfect example of brainless responses. See my last comment further on. At least I propose causes and why a 777 went down. It was proven to be a safety bug because the auto-throttles engaged simultaneously.

返信 ↓•パーマリンク•Parent•Report

william baker 丁度一年（虎舞流ｗ）前 1

Question here and this is just a question or my thought. Could this be related to maybe fuel shut down on the engines. They say they just activated the reverse thrust could they system actually thought they shut the fuel cut off off and rolled the engines back.

返信 ↓•パーマリンク•Report

bentwing60 丁度一年（虎舞流ｗ）前 2

The PF could have accidentally grabbed the fuel cutoff levers instead of the TR's and it gets real quiet real quick. OOps! My first thought william cause I did it once in an old straight wing Citation long ago and far away. The other guy just started grinnin. Maybe he did it once too.

返信 ↓•パーマリンク•Parent•Report

william baker 丁度一年（虎舞流ｗ）前 1

Ya but they fact that they couldn’t get them restated has me confused. Could have happen and the software glitches they reset the computer during testing and found nothing wrong?

返信 ↓•パーマリンク•Parent•Report

william baker 丁度一年（虎舞流ｗ）前 1

Someone said something about the British airways 777 flight 38 and to be honest this doesn’t sound like a fuel oil heat exchanger issuer or a loss of fuel.

返信 ↓•パーマリンク•Parent•Report

bentwing60 丁度一年（虎舞流ｗ）前 2

They shut down at a very opportune time for this flight and I agree on the exchanger issue, but when they shut down at the same time I would rather see the cause be operator error, as opposed to computer glitches in flying computers. Hope to see the answer here at a future date. The one thing I can say for sure is that I am not surprised by the name attached to the squawk.

返信 ↓•パーマリンク•Parent•Report

william baker 丁度一年（虎舞流ｗ）前 1

I hear ya there on the name. And all we can do is ask questions and think about what caused it. Doesn’t sound right that it happened as the reverse thrust was just activated. But time will tell what happen and also glad that nobody got hurt in this incident.

返信 ↓•パーマリンク•Parent•Report

Stefan Sobol 丁度一年（虎舞流ｗ）前 1

Would be pretty difficult to shut down the engines inadvertently in a 787. The thrust levers do not have a cutoff position. There are two individual switches (1 for each engine) that need to be activated and are separate from the thrust levers. You'd need both hands to shut down the two engines simultaneously.

返信 ↓•パーマリンク•Report

Rex Bentley 丁度一年（虎舞流ｗ）前 0

About time to quit these "Rube Goldberg" machines and get back to the "KISS" principle.

返信 ↓•パーマリンク•Report

Chris B 丁度一年（虎舞流ｗ）前 0

Hmmm.....a 787 with just 118 passengers?
Thinking fuel like that BA 777 that glided into Heathrow with no engines.

返信 ↓•パーマリンク•Report

crk112 丁度一年（虎舞流ｗ）前 1

Actually...... They never said it was fuel exhaustion, and as far as I can tell they never said it wasn't.

Has anyone seen it reported anywhere?

If it were fuel exhaustion that would explain why they found nothing wrong with the engines !!!

返信 ↓•パーマリンク•Parent•Report

sharon bias 丁度一年（虎舞流ｗ）前 0

Wouldn't a solution to hitting the fuel cut off lever be to make it have a texture, so your figures can feel it's different from other levers? Sort of like those little bumps they put on the J an F keys on a keyboard.

返信 ↓•パーマリンク•Report

bentwing60 丁度一年（虎舞流ｗ）前 3

The transport category jets I have flown all had one or more defining elements to prevent grabbing the wrong control in a moment of confussion. Some texture, most shape, and all with location. The fact remains, when the PF grabs the wrong thing in a brain dump, the deed is done and all the engineering in the world won't fix that. Don't know if that is the culprit here, hope to find out. Most pilots don't divulge their most egregious goofs at the bar, but you can learn a lot by reading the ASRS report summaries and while you won't know who they are, there are some pretty good tales on occasion.

返信 ↓•パーマリンク•Parent•Report

Cansojr 丁度一年（虎舞流ｗ）前 -1

The same thing happened to British Airways Boeing engines rolled back to flight idle on landing approach. Boeing has a software problem with the 787. It's time to do an extensive analysis of the software on both engines. There is a uniform fault.

返信 ↓•パーマリンク•Report

Michael Osmers 丁度一年（虎舞流ｗ）前 3

Are you referring to the 777 landing LHR 2008? If so, that was an ice crystal issue in the fuel...

返信 ↓•パーマリンク•Parent•Report

william baker 丁度一年（虎舞流ｗ）前 2

That was ba flight 36 and it was ice crystals thst plugger the fuel oil heat exchanger.

返信 ↓•パーマリンク•Parent•Report

william baker 丁度一年（虎舞流ｗ）前 1

Plugged stupid autocorrect

返信 ↓•パーマリンク•Parent•Report

Cansojr 丁度一年（虎舞流ｗ）前 1

Where is that finding reported?

返信 ↓•パーマリンク•Parent•Report

william baker 丁度一年（虎舞流ｗ）前 3

Findings report.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_Flight_38

返信 ↓•パーマリンク•Parent•Report

Jeff Turner 丁度一年（虎舞流ｗ）前 -2

Aren't you supposed to shut off the engines after you land?

返信 ↓•パーマリンク•Report

gerhard friebe 丁度一年（虎舞流ｗ）前 -2

I heard that shutting down the engines just before landing on under booked Jumbos is one of the new fuel savings measures recommended by several airlines.

返信 ↓•パーマリンク•Report