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How One Little Lock on an Airplane Could Save Hundreds of Lives

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Selfish passengers spend valuable seconds during evacuations opening overhead bins in order to take their luggage off the plane with them. There is actually one simple solution: locking overhead bins. The bins would be locked during taxi, takeoff and landing. They would be unlocked at cruising altitude. Then they would be locked again when it’s time to prepare the cabin for arrival... (www.travelpulse.com) さらに...

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zcolescott
...or just require all bags be checked. This will never happen. People want access to their things. You just can't fix stupid.
TorstenHoff
And one person standing in the aisle who doesn't understand this or who tries to break into the bin to get his belongings is going to hold up the evacuation and get people killed.

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joelwiley
I think I can understand your unease with a crowded aircraft during deboarding. Would it ease your mind to think that should there be an evacuation due to an expanding fire, that person trying to unwedge his oversize bag from the bin is between you and the exit. Would you share his concern of wanting control over his personal property?

I personally believe the problem is serious in that the longer an evacuation takes the more likely a significantly adverse effect (incineration, smoke inhalation) will occur, and that grabbing your junk increases the risk.

I do not know of a documented example of a fatality in the posed situation, "yet". There was never a fatal zeppelin accident until the Hindenburg tried landing at Lakehurst, NJ. There was never a fatal accident attributed to running a red light, until the first one.

Your last question "can we blame airline passengers for wanting to have control over their own personal property " should be rephrased to put it into the context of this thread "can we blame airline passengers for exercising control over their personal property" when it is contrary to evacuation orders and recklessly endangers other passengers.
My answer to your original question is no, but it is in the abstract. My answer to the rephrased question is an unequivocal yes.

Does this make sense to you?
royhunte92
Makes sense to me, I know if I was in the situation, I would be yelling, ' forget your stuff and get out!' urgency takes precedence over politeness in an emergency.

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jdriskell
This guy is nuts!
Bernie20910
Nuts-esq even...

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davidrbarnes
You, Mr. Sanch-esq. You. You're clearly the sociopath who comes on here to vent his anger issues, as evidenced by countless of your posts, both on this facade account and on your prior account. You're the unwelcome thorn in our collective sides on these forums, who send things into what some have termed "the esquire spiral" with your petty personal attacks and arrogant pomposity.

I'm yet to see you, or your alter ego, meaningfully contribute anything to these forums. If I'm missing something, I apologize, however at the best case scenario, it's the rare exception, rather than the rule.

To answer you post of Sunday afternoon, however, as you are well aware, as evidenced by your post of Tuesday evening below, that different rules apply to aircraft as to public buildings or private residences.

As documented in the article, aircraft must demonstrate evacuation in 90 seconds with half of the available exits blocked. What's not noted is that each type of door (overwing hatch, entry door, service door, etc.) has a different "Type" which categorizes the throughput of the door (and slide, if so equipped).

As to air quality, with the engines producing bleed air to the A/C packs, fresh cabin air is produced continuously, with air constantly discharged through the outflow valve (which opens and closes to regulate pressure). The air exchange rate is orders of magnitude better than that seen in most commercial buildings.

"And there's the water & food handling" is so vague I can't begin to answer, plus much of that is beyond my area of expertise except to say that water quality is tested regularly, the potable water tanks disinfected and sanitized on a programmatic basis, and many airlines serve bottled water during cabin service.

If you were "king of the airline business" I posit that you won't last very long. American Airlines famously tried "More Room Throughout Coach" in early 2000, and by the mid-00's had abandoned it as being unprofitable. Their "more room" wasn't enough of a product differentiation to justify the artificial reduction in capacity. Airlines have, in recent years, found success with selling a semi-premium product (Economy seats marketed with more legroom and some with extra perks) to some fraction of the cabin willing to pay for the improved product.

As to enforcing carry on size rules, the airlines have defined what size is permitted, but the onus is on the gate agents during a very chaotic boarding process (nobody can seem to understand that they aren't ALL in first class) to survey the bags passing by and measure those deemed to be marginal.

But then, as you've stated countless times, you know nothing of the Part 121 operation world.

PS. You've previously trumpeted yourself as a loyal Southwest Airlines passenger. Were that true, you'd know that you can control your boarding position by checking in promptly and when boarding, are free to select any seat on the aircraft. A measure of personal responsibility is in order for controlling your own experience on that airline.

Good Day, Sir!
Bernie20910
If the laws apply "elsewhere", and do not apply to airlines and aircraft or aircraft operations, then how are they being broken by the "airline business"? Do you consider yourself to be a criminal, a lawbreaker, because you do not obey minimum altitude regulations while walking around your home? You must wield tremendous political clout to not be held to the same standards of maintenance and record keeping on your car as aircraft owners are held to for their aircraft.
num1tailhooker
You just can't fix stupid.
bbabis
bbabis 2
My vote. Do away with overhead bins altogether. At your feet or in the hold!
Bernie20910
At your feet brings with it its own hazards I think. I'd rather not be tripping over someone's bags and the inevitable straps and handles, while trying to evacuate. Then again, being handicapped I wouldn't be able to evacuate in the first place, and would likely just stay seated and out of the way while the more able bodied exited, so as not to cause delays, then at least get to an exit. Going down a slide is right out for me. It would require a couple of people to lift me and toss me on it, and likely cause me to be hospitalized for several days.
TiredTom
I'd stay with you and help you out
Bernie20910
Tom, I appreciate that however, this is one of the many reasons why I no longer fly unless absolutely forced to by circumstance.
bbabis
bbabis 1
You are correct. Not even anything on the floor would be better yet. I just think that bins crashing down on you in an otherwise survivable accident or people trying to retrieve replaceable items and muking up an evac are unacceptable yet built into today's aircraft. Rest assured that in an emergency I will help any passenger that I can in need, but will show no mercy in helping a capable but unthinking passenger along.
joelwiley
Installing on new aircraft would be one thing, retrofitting existing aircraft another.
royhunte92
Just needs to be a small solenoid operated latch switch on and off by the flight attendants.
royhunte92
On each bin.
TiredTom
I'm for it!! and, if I was caught in this situation I would be very aggressive about pushing people out ....
rocketmanroger
I agree with Torsten.
This rule needs to be be more readily enforced. I can this situation turning into brawls on the aircraft, while inconsiderate passengers waste time trying to get their bags and then blocking aisles. This should clearly be spoken about during the in-flight safety briefing from the attendants. All new planes should be fitted with locking bins. Lives will be lost until this is fixed. Retired aerospace engineer.
royhunte92
Just needs to be a small solenoid operated latch switch on and off by the flight attendants.

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